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id not know what a tide was.
Used to be a brand of washing powder, but I don't think it's on the market anymore. (I know; sad old git)
id not know what a tide was.Used to be a brand of washing powder, but I don't think it's on the market anymore. (I know; sad old git)
Or the trigger...
Still, in a world where a (RAF) Phantom could splash a (RAF) Jag over Germany (with entirely officer crew), target recognition was the least of the worries if the procedures were so dangerously lax.
Tide is what I used when I had to wash my own clothes, now I have a wife to do such mundane chores.
Jaguar GR1 XX963/AL of 14 Sqn was shot down on May 25th 1982 35 miles NE of RAF Bruggen, West Germany, by a live AIM-9L Sidewinder accidently fired from Phantom FGR2 XV422 of 92 Sqn during a simulated combat exercise. The Jaguar pilot ejected safely. The Board of Inquiry determined that the master armament switch in the Phantom had not been taped in the "safe" position and the pilot inadvertently rendered one of the two main safety switches "live". The Phantom's pilot and navigator were court martialled and found guilty of offences of neglect, for which they received severe reprimands.
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BEagle Old chap,
Not wanting to nit pick on what is (I assume) a tongue in cheek thread - but the premise of the three questions was that a Flt Lt of four years total service was to be the examinee. Your answering them was much like my 100% record against my 10 year old in 11 plus revision.
But well done nonetheless.
Not wanting to nit pick on what is (I assume) a tongue in cheek thread - but the premise of the three questions was that a Flt Lt of four years total service was to be the examinee. Your answering them was much like my 100% record against my 10 year old in 11 plus revision.
But well done nonetheless.
I will as soon as you learn aircraft and ship types...I'll even allow use of the net.
Whoever is home and needs wash does it, but she prefers to do it as I tend to lump all colors and types together. I do iron whatever is the needed. I take some pride in the a well ironed uniform shirt.
Whoever is home and needs wash does it, but she prefers to do it as I tend to lump all colors and types together. I do iron whatever is the needed. I take some pride in the a well ironed uniform shirt.
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I suppose mentioning that a CBRN-focused US Army captain of all of four years service probably couldn't spot his counterpart in the British Army, or the RAF, or the RN, as he's probably never seen one of those either never mind a Tornado.
Since 2010, there's all of how many left tootling about? And the question can apply to the personnel or the jet, take your pick.
I think I saw a Group Captain once; or it could have been a USN Captain. It was at a distance and I simply didn't care. Probably more of them, however, than Tornadoes these days.
Hmm, Jag shot down by Phantom using an AIM-9...
Jags are gone and were half French.
Phantom, alas gone too, was American as was the Sidewinder.
Amusing thread until the massive chip exposure. I think there's an ointment for that now.
Since 2010, there's all of how many left tootling about? And the question can apply to the personnel or the jet, take your pick.
I think I saw a Group Captain once; or it could have been a USN Captain. It was at a distance and I simply didn't care. Probably more of them, however, than Tornadoes these days.
Hmm, Jag shot down by Phantom using an AIM-9...
Jags are gone and were half French.
Phantom, alas gone too, was American as was the Sidewinder.
Amusing thread until the massive chip exposure. I think there's an ointment for that now.
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Are there any tornado(S) still flying?
Oh, and there is a Paris, Virginia and you can drive to DC in less than 1.5 hours.
I went to an A&W root beer place in Canada and asked for ice. SHAME ON ME
And a pizza, ALL DRESSED UP? Oh come on. We say: everything on it!
I wonder if the OP could tell us the difference between one side of a claymore and the other side?
;-)
Oh, and there is a Paris, Virginia and you can drive to DC in less than 1.5 hours.
I went to an A&W root beer place in Canada and asked for ice. SHAME ON ME
And a pizza, ALL DRESSED UP? Oh come on. We say: everything on it!
I wonder if the OP could tell us the difference between one side of a claymore and the other side?
;-)
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Sorry, but just to add to the list of 'funnies' for Americans and their shortcomings, a friend of mine was seeing in some Keflavik-based F-15s back in the late 1980s to Lossiemouth. One of the pilots asked him, pointing to the northwest ramp "Hey, how do we get over to that museum over there?"
My mate replied "That, sir, is No.8 Sqn Royal Air Force and they are frontline Shackleton AEW aircraft."
My mate replied "That, sir, is No.8 Sqn Royal Air Force and they are frontline Shackleton AEW aircraft."
I always found the OP's observation quite common.
To a US guy, Tornado (if they knew their history) would be a B-45.
I found in Asia and Europe, they didn't know what a Lightning was - a P-38? Not the EE variety. Therefore the F-35 is a Lightning "II", not "III".
It needs to have a "F" or "B" designator to register.
But yes, take care not to stereotype Americans, as some are smart.
To a US guy, Tornado (if they knew their history) would be a B-45.
I found in Asia and Europe, they didn't know what a Lightning was - a P-38? Not the EE variety. Therefore the F-35 is a Lightning "II", not "III".
It needs to have a "F" or "B" designator to register.
But yes, take care not to stereotype Americans, as some are smart.
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Beags and Ogre.
I did say that target recognition wasn't so much the issue as the procedures. I'm quite sure that the crew of the Phantom knew very well it was a Jaguar, and therefore not a live target. Not that one would have expected to find a MiG or Sukhoi over Nordrhein-Westfalen in 1982.
My point was that the procedures and culture in those days were more dangerous than any deficiency in target recognition.
I did say that target recognition wasn't so much the issue as the procedures. I'm quite sure that the crew of the Phantom knew very well it was a Jaguar, and therefore not a live target. Not that one would have expected to find a MiG or Sukhoi over Nordrhein-Westfalen in 1982.
My point was that the procedures and culture in those days were more dangerous than any deficiency in target recognition.
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Of course, then there are the potato fields near Moscow - which I can reach in a few hours driving (in a ground vehicle) from the Hill Aerospace Museum in Roy, Utah, USA.
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Many, many years ago in my blue phase I found myself on the Rock with a spare forenoon. It was a fine day, so I went to the top.
A cruise ship was in port. Some of the passengers were also enjoying the view from the summit.
Elmer, in plaid shorts and a mildly clashing check shirt was standing next to Ethel who was dressed entirely in beige.
They were both facing South, looking out over the water. Ethel turned to Elmer and said "Gee, Elmer, what's that big island over there?"
A cruise ship was in port. Some of the passengers were also enjoying the view from the summit.
Elmer, in plaid shorts and a mildly clashing check shirt was standing next to Ethel who was dressed entirely in beige.
They were both facing South, looking out over the water. Ethel turned to Elmer and said "Gee, Elmer, what's that big island over there?"
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For all of you with a US-centric view of the world there is a New York in Lincolnshire (coincidentally just up the road from Boston) which if you care to take the Euotunnel you can depart from in your motor vehicle and never have to get out until you are in France some 3-4 hours later.
In the Beef Fifty Two bar at the old Ramada, Bellevue, a couple of RAF aircrew are chatting to a couple of the local ladies.
When asked "Wher'ya from", they reply "Lincoln".
"Gee", says one of the ladies, "did they name that after our president?"
When asked "Wher'ya from", they reply "Lincoln".
"Gee", says one of the ladies, "did they name that after our president?"
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For all of you with a US-centric view of the world there is a New York in Lincolnshire (coincidentally just up the road from Boston) which if you care to take the Euotunnel you can depart from in your motor vehicle and never have to get out until you are in France some 3-4 hours later.
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For all of you with a US-centric view of the world there is a New York in Lincolnshire (coincidentally just up the road from Boston) which if you care to take the Euotunnel you can depart from in your motor vehicle and never have to get out until you are in France some 3-4 hours later.
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'I would say that you are well informed - bravo - but I doubt that all RAF Flight Lieutenants are...but we have no way of proving this because a) you aren't one and b) even if you were one you wouldn't be all of them c) it'll take a while to ask them and d) if we do it via this forum they can scuttle off to google and find out.'
I could name lots of Flt Lts that pride themselves on not being in the military and so wouldn't have a clue what a FH70, AS90, CR2 or CVR(T) is, nor would they be worried about it.
Ho hum!
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I could name lots of Flt Lts that pride themselves on not being in the military and so wouldn't have a clue what a FH70, AS90, CR2 or CVR(T) is, nor would they be worried about it.
Ho hum!
G
