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Old 7th Sep 2015, 16:49
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Thanks for that info. As I said, I was not sure and where would we be without apocryphal stories (as long as they are good ones).


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Old 7th Sep 2015, 18:29
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Many thanks for the full story about that RHAG engagement. I'm not sure if you were still down south when the RHAG provider's globe trotting "expert" pitched up at Phandet to show us some high speed footage he'd taken of some our subsequent engagements.....the amount of upwards whip generated in the cable in some engagements cause a few "cor blimeys....." amongst the assembled multitude..I think there were a couple of instances of it almost flicking the hook back up against the lower fuselage, which as you'd appreciate given the F-4 hook was no mean feat.......

Oh and by the way, despite what has been said, CM was NOT there at the time
Ah, that's old age for you (mine), for some reason I'd started to think of CM as sort of being "omnipresent".....my mistake....

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Old 8th Sep 2015, 15:53
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This is a nice F4 pic but there is something quite odd about it for me.

Firstly, I clearly took it as I have the colour negative but, when I was on 29 Sqn.,I cannot remember ever flying formation with an OCU bird.

Also the crews are wearing white domes and I do remember flying 3 hour sorties in ASI wishing I had one. The head temp was way high and the legs, due to full on air conditioning, were frozen.

There is also a strange pod on the lead ac. I do remember a trial (Trial Unity?) when we flew against the OEU who were trialling a training ECM pod. Does anybody else know what was going on here?

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Old 8th Sep 2015, 19:45
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Strange Pod

I think its a Bullpup missile pod - used when we fired Missiles at Valley - but i can't see a live missile fitted - the nearest aircraft also seems to have a multi launcher on the right sgt fletcher station - When i was on the OCU we used some of 29 Sqn s jets as they had left some behind before heading to APC at Akrotiri
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 22:52
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Originally Posted by BSweeper View Post
This is a nice F4 pic but there is something quite odd about it for me.

Firstly, I clearly took it as I have the colour negative but, when I was on 29 Sqn.,I cannot remember ever flying formation with an OCU bird.

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I don't think it is an OCU jet, you can clearly see the outline of a 'G' on the tailfin, and the serial looks to be XV419. 419 flew as 'G' with 29 Sqn in Barley Grey camo, it also flew with 228 OCU after 29 Sqn too, but as 'CD'. So I'd guess it is still a 29 Sqn jet in your photo...

-RP

p.s. 419 also flew as 'G' with 23 Sqn after 228 OCU but, since you were on 29 Sqn at the time of the photo, I'd doubt it was a 23 Sqn jet!
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 01:43
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XV419 29 Sqn - there is your answer ..

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Old 9th Sep 2015, 07:24
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SF ... These are great pics ! Many thanks for sharing with us ... please keep them coming
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 13:24
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I agree with CS, great pictures. Never get tired of looking at Phantoms!
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 20:12
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You are right and thanks RP for the input - well done.

Checking through my logbooks, I flew in 419 some 20-30 times on 29. Al Riley (RIP) and I took it to Keflavik in August 81 - remember the F4s in Iceland badge. However, sorry to be so mis-informed about it appearing to be an OCU bird - I thought all of ours had the Triplex badge (as it indeed has in SF's fantastic pic).

Still not sure what a Bullpup missile was - I certainly never flew with one.

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Old 9th Sep 2015, 20:56
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I think its a Bullpup missile pod....
I never flew F-4s but did fly A-4s, including A-4s with Bullpups. Unless the UK Bullpups were significantly different than the USN Bullpups, that is not a Bullpup in the photo.
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 21:05
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I rather suspect you are right. The UK did have a high speed target missile - I forget the name - that we fired Sparrows/Skyflash against on the Hebrides range. This may be what it is - however, it may still be the training ECM pod I originally thought.


No doubt an expert on this forum will have all the answers and certainly more than I can come up with. Cue BEagle/CM!


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Old 9th Sep 2015, 21:10
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Is this the same pod? Serial XV474 Phantom FGR.2 at Duxford Museum.

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Old 9th Sep 2015, 21:23
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Re pod: possibly a phot pod used to record missile firings at MPC.
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 21:31
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It is a Bullpup hanging off XV419, but it's the missile body only, they were used as camera pods to record live firings etc, as SF and PEI 3721 have alluded to, and as shown in TEEJ's photo.

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Old 10th Sep 2015, 05:23
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The UK did have a high speed target missile - I forget the name
"Stiletto"? (Shorts built varient of the AQM-37)

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightP...20-%202802.PDF

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Old 10th Sep 2015, 09:04
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Yes, it certainly looks like the camera pod we carried for missile firings at STCAAME. The port in the side was for recording Sparrow/Skyflash ejection, motor ignition and initial fly out.

A shame that Duxford could scrounge the radar fuse antennas for their Skyflash there.

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Old 11th Sep 2015, 13:08
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It's Friday, 9/11 and not a single new Phantom Phriday posting?

Whahappened? I need a fresh fix!!
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Old 11th Sep 2015, 13:48
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Waiting for its wings at the Ulster Aviation Society.



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Old 11th Sep 2015, 19:37
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Now that's a Flight Line to get excited about 👍



Image Credit : RAF Historical Branch

18 FGR2's 228 OCU RAF Coningsby 1969
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Old 11th Sep 2015, 20:37
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Were there any 92 sqdn guys who were on the Deci detachment 30Nov1977 ? see posting 367. Must be someone out there alive and kicking, I remember one of the pilots was Flt Lt Hunt .
Memory also of a brilliant practise display one sunny morning for the Goodwood air show circa 1974. Got right up the nose of one of the locals who went to print in the Chichester observer complaining about the once a year noise! Everyone else loved it .
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