Air Cadets grounded?
Award in FLIGHT OPERATIONS
Clearly the award states FLIGHT OPERATIONS, so just confirms total lack of knowledge on the HAC part (or suspect input from HQAC)
Either way just shows how easy it is to rewrite history with a bit of bling.
No one is fooled by this, and the posts on the Air Cadet forum show how those still involved have very little regard for the current leadership capability.
Either way just shows how easy it is to rewrite history with a bit of bling.
No one is fooled by this, and the posts on the Air Cadet forum show how those still involved have very little regard for the current leadership capability.
Well the ACO is about to undergo upheavel again, at the end of the year there is the publication of a 'strategic review' by the Dawninator and her team and with the new T&Cs being implimented may really set a storm going. The new T&Cs are really a sign it or out for all CFAVs and Civ Coms. No wonder oc 2FTS is going, pity help whoever takes the post.
Someone has got creative with a 'Downfall' parody of a meeting about the 'strategic review' and the potential for staff losses of people who won't sign the new T&Cs, squadron closures and mergers by th end of the year.
https://www.captiongenerator.com/1100812/Reviev-2018
Someone has got creative with a 'Downfall' parody of a meeting about the 'strategic review' and the potential for staff losses of people who won't sign the new T&Cs, squadron closures and mergers by th end of the year.
https://www.captiongenerator.com/1100812/Reviev-2018
Sorry Beardy, what exactly was it that you were trying to say? Apologies for any misunderstanding, I would welcome further clarification of your post.
It certainly is somewhat ironic that somewhere along this huge thread didn't someone predict that - far from being censured over this debacle (for that is clearly what it is) those responsible would actually end up being rewarded? Quite remarkable.
It certainly is somewhat ironic that somewhere along this huge thread didn't someone predict that - far from being censured over this debacle (for that is clearly what it is) those responsible would actually end up being rewarded? Quite remarkable.
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Well the ACO is about to undergo upheavel again, at the end of the year there is the publication of a 'strategic review' by the Dawninator and her team and with the new T&Cs being implimented may really set a storm going. The new T&Cs are really a sign it or out for all CFAVs and Civ Coms.
Sorry Beardy, what exactly was it that you were trying to say? Apologies for any misunderstanding, I would welcome further clarification of your post.
It certainly is somewhat ironic that somewhere along this huge thread didn't someone predict that - far from being censured over this debacle (for that is clearly what it is) those responsible would actually end up being rewarded? Quite remarkable.
It certainly is somewhat ironic that somewhere along this huge thread didn't someone predict that - far from being censured over this debacle (for that is clearly what it is) those responsible would actually end up being rewarded? Quite remarkable.
"Just because you are angry doesn't mean you are right" (self explanatory really, you could be wrong)
Still baffled;- in my post I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.
There's a difference. I'm no lawyer, but very much doubt that asking a question constitutes either libel or slander.
There's a difference. I'm no lawyer, but very much doubt that asking a question constitutes either libel or slander.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but although the original posts were sequential, I wasn't referring to you, or your post.
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The full citatation for Comdt 2FTS’s award here: https://www.airpilots.org/file/2865/...oklet-2018.pdf
It doesn’t mention his time as a Vulcan co-pilot and his subsequent return to the Tornado as a Navigator?
It doesn’t mention his time as a Vulcan co-pilot and his subsequent return to the Tornado as a Navigator?
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His applause was distinctly muted. This is the second time I have been embarrassed by the selection made by the committee, and it causes me to consider my continued membership of HCAP
50+Ray:-
It seems to be a trend. The RAeS threw its hat into the MOD/MAA ring when it was announced that airworthiness was not its business! Sic Gloria Transit...
it causes me to consider my continued membership of HCAP
I understand your feeling, 50+Ray and I am beginning to think the same. Which is one reason why I didn't attend the T&A...
The other is Squadron Leader Phil Leckonby, Vulcan pilot, major car smash on a instructional tour at Cranwell, fought for an age to retain flying status due to an eye injury, later became a nav on Buccanners. (12 squadron film fame).
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The last para of the 'citation' covered it quite well (but not the way they meant it)
JM 'inherited' a large fantastic volunteer based FLYING TRAINING UNIT.
It was quite obvious that he never really 'bonded' with this idea that volunteers could be doing all this so well with very little back up from its parent, and really never understood where the CAPABILITY lay.
It is unfair to lay blame on him for the previous regime that allowed the airworthiness issues to escalate as it did, but I do consider his handling of the situation with the staff, and the complete lack of leadership dealing with the 'recovery process' made the situation far worse than it needed to be.
The right person in post at that time could have led a recovery situation with far better management skills, and also kept the organisation together at a time when it needed it. He obviously had another agenda re the staff (volunteers) and failed to see the big picture of what they were losing as an organisation. This thread title is his legacy. AIR CADETS GROUNDED It could have been handled in a much more practical way with the leadership it deserved, especially as it was a well paid resourced post that headed a fine operation that had decades of 'handed down' capability.
They had the expertise within the GSA to assist and advise (if asked) but were too busy facebooking, twattering and a... covering to deal with the real job.
of keeping a limited no of machines going whilst dealing with the situation.
JM 'inherited' a large fantastic volunteer based FLYING TRAINING UNIT.
It was quite obvious that he never really 'bonded' with this idea that volunteers could be doing all this so well with very little back up from its parent, and really never understood where the CAPABILITY lay.
It is unfair to lay blame on him for the previous regime that allowed the airworthiness issues to escalate as it did, but I do consider his handling of the situation with the staff, and the complete lack of leadership dealing with the 'recovery process' made the situation far worse than it needed to be.
The right person in post at that time could have led a recovery situation with far better management skills, and also kept the organisation together at a time when it needed it. He obviously had another agenda re the staff (volunteers) and failed to see the big picture of what they were losing as an organisation. This thread title is his legacy. AIR CADETS GROUNDED It could have been handled in a much more practical way with the leadership it deserved, especially as it was a well paid resourced post that headed a fine operation that had decades of 'handed down' capability.
They had the expertise within the GSA to assist and advise (if asked) but were too busy facebooking, twattering and a... covering to deal with the real job.
of keeping a limited no of machines going whilst dealing with the situation.
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