Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Air Cadets grounded?

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Air Cadets grounded?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 1st Oct 2015, 23:32
  #581 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wildest Surrey
Age: 75
Posts: 10,813
Received 94 Likes on 67 Posts
Originally Posted by JOE-FBS
"an airfield that has ATC coverage at weekends, say Duxford or Cambridge?"

Cambridge has ATC (i.e. Air Traffic Control with Tower, Approach and Radar call-signs). Duxford, like most small airfields does not. Duxford is an Information call-sign so the AFISO controls ground movements. As soon as the aeroplane is on the runway, it's uncontrolled and up to the pilot. Mind you, even the people that run airfields don't always know the difference, calling Church Fenton by telephone this week to see whether they operate after dark, one of the telephone options is for Air Traffic Control when the airfield has at best an air-ground radio station i.e. not control at all.
Also Cambridge already has Tutors for UAS and AEF purposes so they probably wouldn't want any more.
What else flies at Wittering? Why can't they adopt the 'normal' UAS/AEF operating periods of open wed - sun closed mon & tue?
chevvron is online now  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 09:42
  #582 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Peterborough
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Chevvron

The UAS/AEF moved out of Cambridge ages ago, moving to RAF Wyton, and then subssequently moved to RAF Wittering.

As for shifting opening days, Wittering's Tutor fleet operate Mon-Fri as 16 (R) Sqn, so ATC already operate 5 days. I'm sure there would be complaints all round if they couldn't fly Mon and Tues.
romeo bravo is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 10:15
  #583 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South of the ex-North Devon flying club. North of Isca.
Age: 48
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Still doesn't explain the "conflict of interest" with airfield use at the weekends by Four Counties GC and it's associated closure.
Fluffy Bunny is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 11:34
  #584 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: N/A
Posts: 74
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any change to the ATC operating hours would presumably mean renegotiating the contract with Babcock, who operate the tower.

Air Traffic Control at RAF Wittering begins new phase
sedburgh is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 11:52
  #585 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: France
Age: 80
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
"Headline" - Babcock expect profits will be up this year
Wander00 is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 12:12
  #586 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wildest Surrey
Age: 75
Posts: 10,813
Received 94 Likes on 67 Posts
Originally Posted by romeo bravo
Chevvron

The UAS/AEF moved out of Cambridge ages ago, moving to RAF Wyton, and then subssequently moved to RAF Wittering.

As for shifting opening days, Wittering's Tutor fleet operate Mon-Fri as 16 (R) Sqn, so ATC already operate 5 days. I'm sure there would be complaints all round if they couldn't fly Mon and Tues.
Sorry didn't know that; my last visit was back in '87 when our cadets were trucked from (would you believe) Wittering to Cambridge for AEF during summer camp and prior to that, I did my PPL course there in '71.
What do 16(R) Sqdn operate? Didn't realise there was still a flying unit at Wittering.
So the crux is, ATC has been part civilianised at Wittering - this wasn't mentioned before. Had it been all service, no doubt they would open 7 days like Boscombe Down.
chevvron is online now  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 14:20
  #587 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Among these dark Satanic mills
Posts: 1,197
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Sorry didn't know that; my last visit was back in '87 when our cadets were trucked from (would you believe) Wittering to Cambridge for AEF during summer camp and prior to that, I did my PPL course there in '71.
What do 16(R) Sqdn operate? Didn't realise there was still a flying unit at Wittering.
In case you hadn't heard:

Mrs Thatcher is no longer Prime Minister and Ronald Reagan is no longer POTUS. In fact, there have been two President Bushes and several others as well.
The Cold War ended (for a while), but there have been more problems in the Middle East, including two wars against Iraq and also another adventure in Afghanistan, following a terrorist attack in the US
Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa, Princess Diana and Freddie Mercury are no longer with us
Rick Astley, Five Star and Bananarama are no longer Top of the Pops
The RAF no longer operates Phantoms, Buccaneers, Victors, VC10s, TriStars, Shackletons, Jet Provosts, Wessexes, Bulldogs, Harriers, Jaguars, Nimrods, among others. RAF aircraft are no longer permanently based in Germany, Belize, Gibraltar, or Hong Kong.
Computers got smaller and better, and cars got bigger and cleaner (apart from German ones).

Disappointingly, Wittering and Teversham have also changed somewhat in the last 28 years
TorqueOfTheDevil is offline  
Old 2nd Oct 2015, 17:10
  #588 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: The sky mainly
Posts: 352
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
If you think the 18 month grounding over dodgy repairs and paperwork issues is excessive, imagine how long it will be when somebody up the chain realises that the gliders don't have a bloody engine!
Sky Sports is offline  
Old 4th Oct 2015, 18:22
  #589 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Peterborough
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not all gliders within the ACO are engine-less, we do use (well used to) the Vigilant

Chevvron - 16 (R) Sqn use Tutors
romeo bravo is offline  
Old 4th Oct 2015, 18:57
  #590 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wildest Surrey
Age: 75
Posts: 10,813
Received 94 Likes on 67 Posts
Originally Posted by romeo bravo
Not all gliders within the ACO are engine-less, we do use (well used to) the Vigilant

Chevvron - 16 (R) Sqn use Tutors
So presumably they do both UAS and AEF. Which means that apart from the contract with Babcocks for 'local' control, there is nothing to stop them switching to wed - sun operations.
chevvron is online now  
Old 5th Oct 2015, 09:27
  #591 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: London
Posts: 241
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Torque - 'Teversham' hasn't changed since the 50's...trust me!

OB
Opsbeatch is offline  
Old 5th Oct 2015, 10:28
  #592 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Among these dark Satanic mills
Posts: 1,197
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
'Teversham' hasn't changed since the 50's...trust me!
In general terms you are, of course, quite right, but the motley collection of 3/4-engined transports rusting away has changed somewhat over the years, and the number of elementary trainers (which after all is what we are interested in on this thread) has dwindled from plenty to nothing within the last 20 years.
TorqueOfTheDevil is offline  
Old 5th Oct 2015, 10:51
  #593 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Lincolnshire
Age: 63
Posts: 315
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 4 Posts
So, did the two completed Vikings ever finish (or even start) their epic voyage to Syerston, or are they still 'awaiting transport'?
DaveUnwin is offline  
Old 5th Oct 2015, 13:39
  #594 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: across the border....
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Dave,
Air test them at Cambridge and then aerotow to Syerston.


7700
squawking 7700 is offline  
Old 5th Oct 2015, 14:22
  #595 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Hier und da
Posts: 177
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
I've noticed aircraft activity in the direct vicinity of Syerston over the last week or so, either in or over the ATZ. Can't say what it was, because I wasn't close enough to see, but it had a mode A transponder.
Art E. Fischler-Reisen is offline  
Old 6th Oct 2015, 12:40
  #596 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: The sky mainly
Posts: 352
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Apparantly, the Commandant Air Cadets has posted a gliding update on her facebook page. Anyone know how to share it on here?
Sky Sports is offline  
Old 6th Oct 2015, 16:15
  #597 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Westnoreastsouth
Posts: 1,826
Received 32 Likes on 28 Posts
The only comment I could find on her FB page was in with loads of personal stuff and said that there will be an update at some stage in the future LOL
longer ron is offline  
Old 6th Oct 2015, 19:10
  #598 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: France
Age: 80
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I remember her as a stude on IOT when I was a flt cdr. Didn't she do well
Wander00 is offline  
Old 6th Oct 2015, 19:13
  #599 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 1,195
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts
I remember her as a stude on IOT when I was a flt cdr. Didn't she do well
So, it's your fault

YS
Yellow Sun is offline  
Old 6th Oct 2015, 19:36
  #600 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: France
Age: 80
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
YS - not on my Flight! I was second time single and not allowed female cadets - a policy at the time apparently
Wander00 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.