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Air Cadets grounded?

Old 13th Feb 2018, 17:47
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Originally Posted by cats_five View Post
Doesn't he deserve a thread of his own?
Please reconsider your comment.

I never met the chap nor even exchanged messages with him on here but when it's a 'member of the (extended) family who by all accounts was a top bloke and gave countless hours to the Air Cadets then it has every right to be on this thread.....

Nuff said

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Old 14th Feb 2018, 11:27
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Originally Posted by cats_five View Post
Doesn't he deserve a thread of his own?
Cats, that is stooping so low, even lower than your previous negative postings about Air Cadet gliding. As you have said before, you know nothing about Air Cadet gliding and what it's instructors have given to the youth of today!

Thanks Enigma for your many years support. RIP.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Freda Checks View Post
Cats, that is stooping so low, even lower than your previous negative postings about Air Cadet gliding. As you have said before, you know nothing about Air Cadet gliding and what it's instructors have given to the youth of today!
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I could be mistaken....but I believe reading the post that Cats is merely saying that rather than tack this on to the 'Grounding' thread...he might have one of his own?
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 13:18
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Originally Posted by 622 View Post
I could be mistaken....but I believe reading the post that Cats is merely saying that rather than tack this on to the 'Grounding' thread...he might have one of his own?


Exactly. There are plenty of other RIP threads including some in addition to another one.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 16:58
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 13:59
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Pobjoy, I am with you on that, had a number of great days at Kenley accompanying cadet from 1924(Shirley) some years back.
Hi Brokenlink. Just browsing on here looking for anything to do with 615 gliding school and noticed you were/are linked to 1924 sqn Air Cadets also. I was with them in the late sixties and early 70's for about 4 years and did my gliding course at Kenley. Are you still involved with 1924?
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 16:43
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Kenley and 615

As a 'secure' airfield with a fantastic catchment area for Cadets and excellent transport links for 'thousands' of Cadets that can easily access on a day visit one wonders why this was not a 'priority' restart up for HQAC.
Add on to that the RAF 100 and Kenley's part in the B o B and you have an excellent PR opportunity to 'kick start' the new operation.
I know there are plans for a new building on site but that is not required to get the flying going again. The number of Squadrons that can access this location on a day visit is probably the best in the country and would certainly improve on the current Cadet experience level.
Because of the 'pause' the airfield has been allowed to 'encourage' trespass on to the operational area, and indeed 2FTS are actively seeking to support the erecting of a substantial fence on the peri-track as opposed to where it should be many metres away. As public access to the operational area is probably going to be allowed at non flying times what is the point of reducing the available landing options(undershoot/over-run), reducing the size of available area, and destroying the historic element of a scheduled area.
Looking at the design of the proposed fencing it is not 'airframe or occupant friendly' in the case of impact and therefore fails the safety case for a training location.
JM and his band are not used to such 'tight' locations and therefore not the best people to be in charge of such proposals.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 17:17
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As a 'secure' airfield with a fantastic catchment area for Cadets and excellent transport links for 'thousands' of Cadets that can easily access on a day visit one wonders why this was not a 'priority' restart up for HQAC.
Add on to that the RAF 100 and Kenley's part in the B o B and you have an excellent PR opportunity to 'kick start' the new operation.
I know there are plans for a new building on site but that is not required to get the flying going again. The number of Squadrons that can access this location on a day visit is probably the best in the country and would certainly improve on the current Cadet experience level.
Because of the 'pause' the airfield has been allowed to 'encourage' trespass on to the operational area, and indeed 2FTS are actively seeking to support the erecting of a substantial fence on the peri-track as opposed to where it should be many metres away. As public access to the operational area is probably going to be allowed at non flying times what is the point of reducing the available landing options(undershoot/over-run), reducing the size of available area, and destroying the historic element of a scheduled area.
Looking at the design of the proposed fencing it is not 'airframe or occupant friendly' in the case of impact and therefore fails the safety case for a training location.
JM and his band are not used to such 'tight' locations and therefore not the best people to be in charge of such proposals.
Have 2FTS never heard of 'frangible' fencing being used in line with runways?
It's an 'Army' thing erecting fencing on the edge of a taxiway; they did it immediately they moved into Abingdon - wait for it - on the INSIDE edge of the taxiway!!
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 18:11
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TJH1954 - was with 1924 Sqn from 1988 until 1995, just handed over command of 1094 (Ely) after 14 years as OC pending returning as a CI with the same unit.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 13:55
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Frangible fencing

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..............and at Hullavington as well where they effectively closed off the perimeter track continuity.

However at Kenley I do think it (Frangible fencing) would be a good idea to protect the public from themselves. In a world where people are ringing 999 because KFC have run out of chicken who knows what might happen if they were allowed anywhere near an aircraft movement area or a fast moving 100 yards of cable unsupervised...................

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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 19:01
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Non frangible fencing Kenley

ARC The problem is that the 'proposed' fence is anything but frangible, and certainly NOT glider (or occupants) friendly in the case of impact.
The other point is the fence could go yards 'away' from the peri-track thereby increasing the usable run off, undershoot, overshoot situation, and also having the added benefit of not despoiling (bore holes, fence, multiple signs, gates, wire netting) on what is already a designated heritage area that is in its original condition as of 1940. As I stated to Historic England this proposal is akin to having a fence at Stonehenge that utilised the stones as part of it !!!!,and would change the open historic character of the location (reduce the operational area) plus entail more damage than the Aug 18th (1940) low level Dornier raid. Apart from a very long term association with the Air Cadets (poss the oldest Gliding School on its original site) we also have it situated on an actual battlefield that held the line in 1940. We may have 'lost the plot' re how to organise Cadet Glider training, but we should not throw away the very history that this location still preserves.
Historic England acknowledge that Kenley is the most complete and original Battle of Britain airfield existing (their words not mine) one would have thought the RAF could at least do their best to preserve that situation.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 21:45
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662's airfield

Not strictly about the grounding, but an article about the future(?) of one of the former Scottish VGS sites:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...ure-rm-condor/
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Old 23rd Feb 2018, 10:00
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The problem is that the 'proposed' fence is anything but frangible

612 VGS operated at Abingdon for 18 years with an 8 foot high Army security fence (and very solid steel gate) across the runway which reduced 08/26 by a quarter and it was never hit by a glider (and that includes 1st solos). Mind you that can't be said about the sheep fencing on the airfield or squaddies cars, although technically the squaddie hit the glider not the other way around.
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Old 23rd Feb 2018, 11:33
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I always thought that the Condor airfield was a better glider training field (width, length, hangarage, airspace etc) than Kirknewton (apart from Kirknewton is closer to EDI) for travel. Almost certainly the entire site will close not just the airfield - especially since there are questions about the requirement for RM to protect the northern flank in Norway now (crazy but true)

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Like I said - the best place for the fence at Kenley would be aligned with the old AM boundary stones.................

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Old 23rd Feb 2018, 11:37
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Kenley AM Markers

ARC perhaps you could mention that to Croydon planners/Historic England I am with you on that.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 10:26
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614 Volunteer Gliding Squadron to Relocate to Norfolk

614 Volunteer Gliding Squadron was told on Friday this week that it will be relocating from MOD Wethersfield in Essex to Swanton Morley in Norfolk
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 11:00
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Good news and bad news then !!

All they need to do now is re-number it 611VGS, move ACCGS from Syerston and the wheel will have gone full circle !!

Swanton is in the middle of no-where and difficult to get to from any location (roads and rail very badly served. I assume this means that a new hangar will be required at Swanton now - since the old ones have long been knocked down. There is plenty of space there though for a build and the airfield itself is very suited, although I can't help but wonder if the problem will re-occur in a few years time as Robertson barracks is scheduled for closure in 2023.

However in spite of all of that I for one will be glad to see them back.

I await my re-call invitation with great anticipation.

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Old 25th Feb 2018, 11:03
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ATFQ,


But Swanton Morley is also due to close and be disposed off.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 11:58
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614 Volunteer Gliding Squadron was told on Friday this week that it will be relocating from MOD Wethersfield in Essex to Swanton Morley in Norfolk
With all those trees...? Hope there's a defib at 2FTS...
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 19:32
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Come Back Swanton

OK; you loose the 'London' catchment (and gain Norwich) but even with the trees Swanton is still a good site,(especially if you compare it with a lot of civvy clubs). When it was No 1 GC only half of the field was used for gliding as it shared the site with the Norfolk and Norwich aero club with no problems. In those days it was regularly sending off 16-20 cadets per week doing 3 solo's each for the badge and A&B cert, plus 611 doing the w-end bit. When you consider how few solo launches are now the 'the norm' and how much dual a cadet does before 1 solo the risk factor is much lower and a few trees on site not really an issue. With a 360 degree launch option the height available and general 'uncluttered' local area makes it superb, and cables do not have to pass over tarmac. Politics aside I would welcome the return of Swanton as its land value for development is low and even if most of the original camp was eventually sold off there would still be plenty of space and buildings for the long term use of the ATC. Should be designated a 2FTSfree zone, and the call sign could be 'Soapy Control !!!' ARC you must be smiling at all this. Famous Mossie base with a very 'rural' pub just off the peri-trac,a great location. Oh by the way for the glass boys; Swanton would be sending solo's off (3) at between 19-24 launches with an average tot training flight time of about 1h 15 min,and many of these had no previous flight training and certainly no useless PTT, not to mention the lack of two way comms.

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