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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:14
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If true then I think that the lack of weekend flying that some may be experiencing may be a local issue and not part of some convoluted conspiracy.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:01
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It's to do with crash and smash availability...........but as they're so skilled they won't need it anyway !
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:14
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If true then I think that the lack of weekend flying that some may be experiencing may be a local issue and not part of some convoluted conspiracy.
I've heard from my man on the inside that it is due to a lack of money, and that there won't be a resumption 'for the foreseeable future'.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 15:24
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I've heard from my man on the inside that it is due to a lack of money, and that there won't be a resumption 'for the foreseeable future'.
Where are you talking about? There is an airfield that requires maintenance that will be funded this year. To imply that AEF flying has run out of money is scurrilous nonsense. I really do think that this nonsense should be put to bed.

'I know a man who knows a man who was told by his boss's cleaner' come on, really? Go to the source and find out for yourself what is real, or do you prefer spreading nasty rumours?

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Old 31st Jan 2018, 11:32
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The Tutor fleet is a pooled asset, shared between Elementary Flight Training, (top priority), University Air Squadrons, (second priority) and the Air Cadets, (bottom of the pile).

When the hours on the aircraft are getting low, or the Tutor fleet pot of money is running out, who do you think is chopped first?

To imply that AEF flying has run out of money is scurrilous nonsense.
You say it is scurrilous nonsense because you know the real reason Air Cadet powered flying has stopped? Please tell us.

Go to the source and find out for yourself what is real
Like speaking to someone quite senior in the organisation?.........oh yeah, I've done that.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 11:40
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Air cadet powered flying has not stopped. I am still doing it, weekend as well.
And since you asked 8AEF.

Now which AEF is curtailing cadet flying, apart from Woodvale which has airfield problems?
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 13:22
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Now which AEF is curtailing cadet flying, apart from Woodvale which has airfield problems?
5 and 7 AEF as of last weekend
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 15:09
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Sky Sports,


The Grob Prefect is replacing the Tutor as an elementary trainer, so by your reckoning they have just moved up one notch in terms of priority.

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Old 31st Jan 2018, 22:27
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The airframes are a shared asset, but each role has a contracted number of hours and rate. I doubt that, over the contract period, the hours allocated to the AEF have not, nor will, change.

I can understand how what looks like a temporary, local problem appears worse than it is especially after watching the gliding debacle from afar. It must be frustrating on a daily basis. But from where I sit there is no change to AEF cadet flying policy nor hours.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 08:56
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RAF Woodvale airfield has been a contracted operation for years, what has changed?
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 09:02
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I understand that essential maintenance is required to the operating surfaces.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 09:09
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OK, I see, thanks beardy.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 17:16
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Is Facebook a legally recognise conduit for safety critical information? Just asking
That's quite a good question - and the answer is that it depends on your needs and whatever it is that you describe as legal.

In my opinion there is no legal requirements for any safety-related information page. Using a FB Page is as legal as any police notepad, closed website or service codebook. The use of a suitable forum may only need to be a procedural requirement (if written into procedures)

I was once part of an international group of companies that required me to join FB to discuss flight safety issues and processes for 400+ aircraft and 5000 personnel across 13 quite diverse states. I had never been on FB before, but became a user quite quickly as it helps keep in touch with distant extremes of our families. I still use it.

The XXX Flight Safety Forum worked well for a while but ceased when taken over by another company that did the same thing in another, more expensive, way. Possibly more secure, but certainly a lot more expensive!

A secure FB page is simple to set up, easy to secure and monitor, easy (for permitted people) to access from the widest variety of portable devices and easy to quickly share information and also to discuss issues with a fair amount of privacy.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 17:55
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Sky Sports,


The Grob Prefect is replacing the Tutor as an elementary trainer, so by your reckoning they have just moved up one notch in terms of priority.

Your statement assumes that EFT will cease to be taught on the Tutor.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 19:04
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According to the chat over on the Air Cadet Central forum, the 'pause' has been lifted at all AEF's, bar 2.
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 02:46
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According to the chat over on the Air Cadet Central forum, the 'pause' has been lifted at all AEF's, bar 2.
There was no 'pause' at all AEFs.
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 09:41
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I wonder what the issue was, EMUAS and 7 AEF who were absent from the Cranwell skies the last two weekends, are planning to fly this weekend.
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 15:11
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Air Cadet Central

I have just been over to Air Cadet Central

The users of ACO gliding and flying (Air Cadets and Adult Volunteers) seem very unhappy with what has been going on in the Air Cadets since the "pause".

It appears to have started when OC 2FTS grounded the glider fleet without a plan, either short term or now, long term. The glider fleet has been destroyed, with some Volunteer Gliding Squadrons killed off. The adult volunteers are complaining about the mushroom treatment from on high and are voting with their feet! They get promises of AEF gliding and flying which appear not to come to fruition. Seems they have run out of excuses to give to the cadets' parents as to why in the two/four years that little Johnnie has been in the Air Cadets he has not had the opportunity to fly!

Many of us have spent the last few years plugging the gap caused by the total lack of flying and gliding and what's the recovery plan? Travel long distances and give up whole weekends for a couple of launches and some time on a PTT, well whoop de do! The attitude seems to be "well we can do more with less", the reality is that our cadets will get less with Squadron staff giving up more!
....and to cap it all they have removed the RAFVR(T) Commissions and replaced them with what the users are referring to as plastic commissions (rather like plastic policemen).....

Oh dear, oh dear. Nobody at the top (the very top) comes out of this smelling of roses. But after nearly four years of this (pause) debacle you can understand why!
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 15:44
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I wonder how many airframes Southern Sailpanes have recovered since they were awarded the contract?

“Such a contract is of utmost importance to national security and the training of RAF pilot recruits to defend this nation needs to be given priority over relatively minor AONB concerns.”
I did not realise how important the recovery of our ACO gliders was to national security and for the training of RAF pilot recruits. How stupid of me!
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 16:21
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When the moaning stops be afraid.....

That's when the walking starts.
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