Air Cadets grounded?

[BEagle]

Blunty, mon brave, don't forget that this is the same RAF which decreed that an aeroplane which used to fly HM The Queen around the globe had suddenly become too dangerous to carry non-service passengers....

PS - Didn't see you at the Bulldog / Chipmunk do at Kemble the other week?

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by Chugalug2

This link does not cover the TG577 BoI but has an eye witness claim that a CAA Inspector (?) was at the crash scene very quickly post the accident, and just as quickly searched for and discovered the fractured bolt(s). I suspect that he was possibly an AAIB Inspector who lived close by.

Thus the AAIB would have deduced the probable cause of the accident before the RAF even had time to convene the BoI. Could that be the cause of confusion in the Wiki version of events? The accident features about half-way down the page:-

Hastings Bangs and Prangs and Splashes and Crashes



A rather poignant In Memoriam here which lists 30 RAF and 11 Army Airborne of the 41 total fatalities, a ratio that I was hitherto unaware of:-

RAF Hastings_Call Sign TG 577

'Inspector from the CAA'
The CAA didn't exist until 10 years later ie 1975.

[Chugalug2]

chevron:-

The CAA didn't exist until 10 years later ie 1975.

Thank you chevron (I wondered who'd spot that one first, Wilson! ;-). Which perhaps makes it more likely that our man was an AAIB Inspector who had discovered the cause of the crash within hours of it happening, and hence the AAIB involvement was from the very start of the investigation. That in turn could have led to the misunderstanding that the formal accident investigation was carried out by them. It was not of course, it was carried out by a BoI.

Hope that answers your query Leon. Again, can anyone help us trace that 1965 BoI report?

[clunckdriver]

Yesterday I went to Smith Falls {CYSH} at the crack of dawn to fly my very old DH Hornet Moth, lo and behold when I got there the first thing which met my eyes in the sunrise were two immaculate gliders and an even smarter L19, having flown the Hornet {what a strange flying aircraft it is!} I decided that working on the hangar would be more fun than returning home to cut the grass, to my great pleasure a bunch of ATC honchos turned up to make sure their competency was up to date before they started flying on the weekend {the CO is an ex employee of mine} Good heavens Britain, if a huge country like Canada with a small population spread over Hells half acre can do this what in hell is wrong with you guys?

[Sook]

Meanwhile in the Senior Service....

The Sea Cadet Aviation Advanced Flying Course

Note the aircraft used.

[aw ditor]

(UK) CAA was formed in 1972 via' the Civil Aviation Act of 1971.

[chevvron]

But didn't start operating until 1 Jan 1975.
I can remember signing my contract after some months at Farnborough having been posted there in Sep 1974 as an ATCO Grade 4 of the NATCS which was then still administered by the Department of Trade and Industry.

[Chugalug2]

Pinch and a punch for the first of the month and no returns! Which is my way of pointing out that tucumseh's post #2777, re the publishing of the story of the 1994 Mull of Kintyre tragedy and of the associated gross unairworthiness of ZD576 and her sister Mk2's, informed us that it would be at the end of August. It is in fact today, 1st September 2016.

tucumseh:-

Later this month a book will be published (Kindle version available now) which will help you in your efforts. I have no intention to discuss it further, except to say it was submitted to MoD, the Defence Select Committee and Cabinet Secretary for vetting, and passed.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Their-Great...9118596&sr=1-1

[Engines]

I'd like to encourage all PPrune readers who have followed the various threads and posts associated with UK military airworthiness issues to consider purchasing the recently published book 'Their Greatest Disgrace'. Easily found on Amazon UK.

In my view, it's an essential read for anyone involved (or interested in) procuring and maintaining military aircraft, or anyone who wants to know the truth about the state of airworthiness of our aircraft. And who'd like to do something about it.

I also understand that all monies raised by sale of the book are going to charity.

Best regards as ever to all those who want to do the job properly,

Engines

[jonw66]

Engines
I finished nights at half six and am half way through it.
I was at Aldergrove until 92 and though on Wessex was friends with a lot of the Chindet guys.
Thanks for the link chug and well done tuc
Regards
Jon

[G-ARZG]

Re Sook's post 2825, even the Fish Heads should know the difference between hangars and hangers (or maybe not?)

Retreats to safe distance...'ZG

[chinook240]

http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/ai...gain-1-7568756

[Mushroom club]

Has there been any comms from 2 FTS regarding the return to flying. Assuming there is one!

The Halton scheme looks good on the face if it but I'm just curious if the pilots involved are checked out in any way.

[Wander00]

Seems an imaginative use of Station non-public funds. I don't recall the use of SIF money being in the station commander's remit - that is what the SIF Committee is for (or was 30 years ago) bearing in mind the fund's charitable status ( A bit an@l for a Sunday afternoon I accept)

[brokenlink]

Mushroom, nothing heard to date. I did ping OC 2EFTS a few weeks ago on the topic which was swiftly passed on to Air Cmd who responded with an abridged version of a letter already published on this thread. Not given up yet though.

[Frelon]

Squadron Leader Jocelyn Tack, OC Herts and Bucks Wing, said: “We have been trying to find a way to get the cadets up and flying again so I approached the station commander to look into how it could be financed. He came up with a solution and now we can return to making full use of the facilities here.”

Read more at: Air cadets take to the skies once again - Bucks Herald

Well done to those out there who are trying to make things happen for today's cadets who are missing out on their Air Cadet gliding.

Jim Lovell (Commander of Apollo 13) said, “There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen."

My feeling is that today's Air Cadets are commanded by people who are now wondering what has happened!! There are no positive signs coming from 2FTS or HQ Air Cadets. So sad

Frelon

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by Frelon

Read more at: Air cadets take to the skies once again - Bucks Herald

Well done to those out there who are trying to make things happen for today's cadets who are missing out on their Air Cadet gliding.

Jim Lovell (Commander of Apollo 13) said, “There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen."

My feeling is that today's Air Cadets are commanded by people who are now wondering what has happened!! There are no positive signs coming from 2FTS or HQ Air Cadets. So sad

Frelon

Something wrong here; Wing OCs with the ATC are normally Wing Cdr (Acting) rank. Maybe she's Wing Admin Officer.
Notwithstanding that, I'm glad my old wing has had the guts to actually do something; we were pioneers of cadet microlight flying at Halton back in the '90s.

[Cows getting bigger]

Jocelyn is WXO (Old duffers like chevvron would call it Wg Admin Officer ). Good on RAF Halton.

[chevvron]

Originally Posted by Chugalug2

Pinch and a punch for the first of the month and no returns! Which is my way of pointing out that tucumseh's post #2777, re the publishing of the story of the 1994 Mull of Kintyre tragedy and of the associated gross unairworthiness of ZD576 and her sister Mk2's, informed us that it would be at the end of August. It is in fact today, 1st September 2016.

tucumseh:-



https://www.amazon.co.uk/Their-Great...9118596&sr=1-1

In my personal opinion, one of the root causes of this tragedy was the withdrawl of radar from Macrihanish a month or so previously.
No radar = no LARS hence the Chinook crew had to try to fly VMC below rather than above safety altitude with radar service.
As I said, just one of the causes, but the BOI wouldn't want this to be aired in public so it doesn't appear to be mentioned - I admit I haven't read the report though.

[hoodie]

Without rehashing the long Chinook thread, it's been stated that they couldn't climb to MSA due to the temperatures and lack of an Icing clearance.