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Old 25th May 2016, 17:46
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Air Cadets (ATC & CCF(RAF)) - Number of Cadets

This GOV.UK link becomes live tomorrow morning at 9.30 am. It will include ATC and CCF(RAF) cadet strengths (numbers) for 1st April 2016 for anyone who is interested.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...tatistics-2016

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Old 26th May 2016, 10:41
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Grob G115E/EG AD

I wonder if this will effect the Tutors or whether the Grob modification has already been fleet embodied. One would hope it's the later or ACO flying could be even further restricted.


http://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/EASA_A...AD_2016-0091_1
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Old 26th May 2016, 11:39
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Grob G115E/EG AD MOD

Doubt it as it as it was only issued on 16 May 16 with effective date of 31 May 16. They don't work that fast!!
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Old 26th May 2016, 12:05
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I was quite surprised to see at RIAT this year they will be having an ATC display of gliders through the history of the cadets. Isnt that a bit ironic considering they haven't done any for a good while now?
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Old 26th May 2016, 15:03
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I was quite surprised to see at RIAT this year they will be having an ATC display of gliders through the history of the cadets.
Why surprised? Gliding used to be an important part of the ATC and deserves a place in any historical display in this 75th anniversary year!
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Old 26th May 2016, 15:18
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Gliding used to be an important part of the ATC and deserves a place in any historical display in this 75th anniversary year!
....and some of us even remember the looks on cadets' faces when we sent them solo!!

Sadly all part of the UK Air Cadet history now.
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Old 26th May 2016, 20:00
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Air Cadets Grounded

Ah yes first solo in a Mk111 brick. Rules Don't enter cloud...er dump the cable before you reach it laddie (800ft base with scudding lower cloud down to 500) If it starts snowing ignore it, it will be a passing shower (it wasn't) You can cope with a tad of crosswind can't you, keep wide on finals and don't hit the bloody caravan.

I survived.
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Old 26th May 2016, 20:08
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Air Cadet gliding will be in the historical section of the static display, will it?
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Old 26th May 2016, 21:00
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Grob AD

Already going through the system at about two a week because it is a relatively simple fix and covered by EASA rules.
Helped by the fact that this is supported by a manufacturer still in business.
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Old 27th May 2016, 10:00
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Cleared for unlimited spinning

I really think it is about time that the Air Cadet Organisation should be considering its position with regard to its name,as under any sort of 'advertising' rules it falls well short of being honest with the public about its 'Aviation input'

Perhaps RAF Cadets would be more honest as judging by the latest AIR CADETS' newsletter the official spin just goes on and on.

Cmt ACO states that 'Less gliding does not mean less flying;indeed there will be more flying opportunities available !!!!

Reg Cmt Wales and West extols the virtues of his 3 solo's in a MK 111 some time back yet fails to mention that this has all been binned.He then states that the 2nd and third parts of the Royal Warrant are the more important ones now.

OK if that is the case then lets really be truthful and say that we are a Cadet organisation that offers lots of opportunities for youngsters with the possibility of some flying experience.

For an organisation that now has very little to do with flying it begs the question why are all the top 'paid' jobs needed.
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Old 27th May 2016, 10:35
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Flying opportunities do not only fall within the remit of HQAC (through Regions/Wings) to arrange, squadrons can also look for opportunities.

Contrary to the lack of flying that POBJOY is pushing, believe it or not, squadrons in our Wing have already got cadets up this year in Hercules, Pumas, Chinooks, King Airs, Squirrels; through the hard work of squadron staff trying to organise trips for cadets. And don't forget that AEF is still happening, even 5 AEF have started to fly at weekends.

Flying has not stopped in the ACO, just gliding........
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Old 27th May 2016, 10:53
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My understanding was that Air Cadets actually took control of gliders. If all they wanted to do was be a passenger in an aircraft, Mr O'Leary would oblige for twenty quid.
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Old 27th May 2016, 14:04
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JUST GLIDING

Flying has not stopped 'just Gliding'

Just about summs up the current thinking in the organisation.

Lets be clear Gliding was the Corps USP where a youngster from any average background had the opportunity to be taught to fly on his own and gain a BGA certificate (the only qualification in the gliding world)
All other flying in the organisation is a 'ride' and in most cases other than Tutor no handling.
Not to belittle any flying but lets be clear it is not what the ATC was special for.

All thrown away by staggering incompetence, and a lack of leadership at the top.
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Old 27th May 2016, 16:54
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Flying opportunities do not only fall within the remit of HQAC (through Regions/Wings) to arrange, squadrons can also look for opportunities.

Contrary to the lack of flying that POBJOY is pushing, believe it or not, squadrons in our Wing have already got cadets up this year in Hercules, Pumas, Chinooks, King Airs, Squirrels; through the hard work of squadron staff trying to organise trips for cadets. And don't forget that AEF is still happening, even 5 AEF have started to fly at weekends.

Flying has not stopped in the ACO, just gliding........
Hear hear.

Flying has not stopped 'just Gliding'

Just about summs [sic] up the current thinking in the organisation.

Lets be clear Gliding was the Corps USP where a youngster from any average background had the opportunity to be taught to fly on his own and gain a BGA certificate (the only qualification in the gliding world)
To you maybe. I did three years in the ATC in the 90s and never even set eyes on a glider - had far too much fun going on camps and flying in Chipmunks. Powered flying as a cadet definitely motivated me to aspire to a flying career.

Not to belittle any flying but lets [sic] be clear it is not what the ATC was special for.
It looks awfully like you are belittling other types of flying available to cadets as well as those (both ACO staff and aircrew) who try to provide it. I would suggest that the cadets who were on board a multi-aircraft assault of Nesscliffe Training Area on Ex Dragon's Claw recently, as one example, would judge that to be as special as flying in a glider.
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Old 27th May 2016, 17:42
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They won't have a frame of reference to judge otherwise, will they?

Any air experience is a precious thing, and as such reflects well-deserved credit on the adult volunteers and regular units who make it happen.

The worst part of this whole train smash is that in the last couple of years, the ACO ceased to have any confidence in its gliding community's ability to fly safely. This shift in judgement was based on no evidence whatsoever. There is always, always room for improvement and never any scope for complacency, but the VGS community were largely doing it right and an ex-VGS person would be more than welcome on my team. Can't say the same for their parent organisation who have shown only that they can add up several problems and deliver a total catastrophe.
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Old 27th May 2016, 18:53
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gain a BGA certificate (the only qualification in the gliding world)
You've not heard of the FAI, and the Silver, Gold & Diamonds then?
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Old 27th May 2016, 19:18
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Heads up ...

Putting the air in the Air Cadets at 75 - AVM ANDY TURNER explains the changes to flying in the UKs ATC youth organisation
Royal Aeronautical Society | Insight Blog | In the latest AEROSPACE magazine - June 2016

Has anyone had a read yet ?
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Old 27th May 2016, 21:15
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I haven't read all of this v. Long thread, in fact I've only read from page 125 to this.

I've read that there was some question of the validity of MAA 'Reviews' of which I have only experienced one...It had four findings of which the two I remember were:

1. A Fire Door in the Hangar was a 15 minute door that should be a 45 minute door.

2. The (private organisation) flight coveralls were Dyed a different colour and could not be proven to be fire tested to the same level as RAF green coveralls.

With the very apparent problems and issues that surounded the circumstances of these observations, that the MAA could only register fault with one hangar's corner door, that should not concern an aviation authority, this was absolutely astounding.
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Old 27th May 2016, 22:52
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BGA FAI Cert

Yes the BGA issued them in the UK. The A&B was/is an International Cert as the C and the rest.
Cadets got a proper little book signed by Brab which had some meaning if you then went to a club.
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Old 28th May 2016, 07:40
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The fai only recognise silver, gold & diamonds. The bga validate those in the uk, and also issue their own a, b & bronze badges. The c badge is no more. The pre-silver badges don't mean anything outside the uk though bronze plus xc endorsement is equivalent to a ppl.
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