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Air Cadets grounded?

Old 27th Apr 2016, 20:03
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Cheers TBW ... All understood ... I assume he is a 'Regular' (non Mil Pilot) OF-4 then ?

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Old 27th Apr 2016, 20:32
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Hardly a typical Vigilant Jock ! - I thought 6 AEF had a waiting list ? Probably count the number of VGS trainees on fingers of your hand ! - most places already spoken for.
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Old 27th Apr 2016, 20:45
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He's a really top bloke and so my post is not a dig at him personally. I don't want to say anything other than you can find on the open internet, however, I'm not surprised he found the conversion quite straight forward!!!

Matt Lane is a CPL/FI/FE and currently Head of Training at RAF Brize Norton Flying Club; he also trains and examines for a number of schools around the Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire area and is on the AOPA Instructor Committee.
Taken from: engine failure after take off

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Old 27th Apr 2016, 21:13
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TBW ... Perfectly understood old chap ... He's clearly at the 'Top End' of the new Tutor AEF Pilot criteria ... The VGS Wings/Rank confused
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Old 28th Apr 2016, 10:03
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Is he a regular Wg Cdr then ??

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Old 28th Apr 2016, 10:13
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I think he may have been an ENGO Arc but not 100% sure and happy to be corrected.

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Old 28th Apr 2016, 10:28
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It is not the normal PPRuNe protocol to discuss serving officers in the manner that some posters have on this thread.

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Old 28th Apr 2016, 12:00
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What about discussing serving Airmen? Plenty of those scattered throughout the ATC. In my school we had other ranks from both the Army and RAF trained up from non flying to "C" cat and beyond. In fact, one Army ground trade Cpl. (not AAC) is now flying (AFAIR) Apache helicopters. (At first he was a bit taken aback, when one of our staff, a serving SO, uttered those famous words "call me Dave")
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Old 28th Apr 2016, 14:34
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Well said Beagle. Wish some people would take note.......
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Old 28th Apr 2016, 17:27
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Sorry Tuc - poor choice of phrase from me when I said that I meant the overall process rather than a person or department.

It just seems we always make the same mistakes rather than be commercially aware and apply the purchasing power the MOD / RAF has.
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Old 29th Apr 2016, 08:24
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Given the sad story of Air Cadet Gliding recorded on these pages ... It was somewhat nostalgic for me this week (Wed) when Mrs Coff and I stopped off at the East Sussex Gliding Club to watch a spot of 'traditional' cable launch and recovery gliding ... took me right back to my teenage years

Just thought I'd share the pics of the airfield at Ringmer ... a beautiful setting.

Hope you enjoy
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Old 29th Apr 2016, 08:36
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I can almost hear the whistling of the winch wire!
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Old 29th Apr 2016, 09:20
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But did you get your feet off the ground?

For some time when I put Air Cadet gliding behind me I was like you, peering over the fence at various gliding sites and thinking about those halcyon days of MkIIIs and Sedburghs!

Then last year I did something positive and joined the Southdown Gliding Club at Parham (sister club to Ringmer). Now I do it and don't dream about it any more

Come along and have a flight along the beautiful South Downs sometime. You will be made most welcome.

Like other forumites I get very angry that this fabulous sport has been denied to hundreds of willing Air Cadets, volunteer officers and civilian instructors since this debacle started - and continues........
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Old 29th Apr 2016, 12:35
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Never seen a Ka-13 with a nose wheel before.

I gave up instructing with the ATC just before the glass ships came in, blimey, that was a long time ago. Like everyone on this thread I'm disgusted with the way things have gone but as a former squadron commander, I could see the AIR going out of the cadet organisation from a long way back.
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 09:03
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Freda ...

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. The last time I logged P1 was Sep 1997 flying a Tiger Moth ... soon after that I lost my medical cat (including gliding) ... so I have to be content watching these days

However, I did look up the glider I did my first solo on way back in Sep 1973, at RAF Manston with 617 VGS ... that being XN246.

Now I feel old knowing XN246 is a museum exhibit !!!

Best ...

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Old 30th Apr 2016, 10:24
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Just had a letter from my MP with a copy of his reply from the minister, same waffle repeated again ,pushing "simulators" as flying !
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 12:35
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XN 246 'Museum Exhibit'

COFF Methinks XN 246 could be brought back on-line rather sooner that the Vikings and actually start to get Cadets off solo again in a sensible no of launches. 3 Solo's of course just as it should be,and a proper BGA A&B Cert/badge to go with it, plus that nice letter from some revered aviation bod suggesting that the holder of the cert would appreciate help from anyone in a position to give it.I think mine was signed by Lord Brab. (well stamped anyway).
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 15:41
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Pobjoy ...

You are probably right in getting XN246 airworthy in short order

Ruc ...

Hold the faith old chap ... I'm stil waiting for the Minister to reply to my MP regarding my very specific question. I'm also prepared for Round 2 if his reply contains BS. My MP is an former Barrister and quite sharp ...

Best ...

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Old 30th Apr 2016, 18:49
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XN 246

Coff I do not really recall any major issues with the MK111 other than after CFS came on the scene and decided that they needed an 'intercom' with expensive headsets for proper communication.
On the basis that the average airborne time was 2-4 minutes depending on the exercise i am at a loss to know what sort of 'conversation' was to be undertaken. I think the 'Mod' cost more than the original airframe and needless to say was a complete waste of time,but at least looked better than those silly plastic goggles that came later,and of course were never designed for aviation use only for grinding. The final straw of course was when the NAFFI closed.
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 19:06
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Pobjoy,intercom in a Mark 111? your kidding! A bit like Children's Aid idiots at a local airfield, they tried to prosecute one of our pilots for teaching his son aerobatics without wearing a "Bone Dome", we pointed out to them that if a Pitts S2 went straight in that a Bone Dome would only ensure that the grey stuff would be easier to scoop up, then they wanted to lay charges for "endangering the life of a minor", under health and safety the whole world will, given time, grind to a halt. Never do I recall not being able to hear the back seat in any glider, mind you this could be that my instructors had to yell at me more than most students needed!
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