Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Bye-Bye Birdies - Professor proposed abolishing USAF

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Bye-Bye Birdies - Professor proposed abolishing USAF

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 18:35
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Canada
Age: 77
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Bye-Bye Birdies - Professor proposed abolishing USAF

Thought this might get some comment- UK professor proposes abolishing the U.S. Air Force | The Kentucky Kernel

Nothing to do with me mate, I'm airframes/engines/avionics etc.
N2erk is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 19:01
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Did I Tell You I Was A Harrier Pilot
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Or alternatively....

Academic fails to grasp that complex systems cannot always be simplified by changing the colour scheme
DITYIWAHP is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 19:03
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Exit stage right.
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
In other news,
"Drone crashes on UK Professor, Black Omegas seen leaving area".....2 incidents are not connected and any claim they are we will visit you.
racedo is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 19:04
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: S of 55N
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Robert Farley is actually an assistant professor, a junior academic and has a well established maritime agenda. His argument in this instance is, in my opinion, is facile and subject to the easy ripost that there is nothing special about sea power or land power either - but that's not the point.

Sun.
Sun Who is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 20:11
  #5 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Canada
Age: 77
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You mean 2 Brit ex-pats don't have a chance against the might of the USAF??
And re the CAF- our armed forces looked good in their beltless green 'coca-cola driver-like' uniforms. I just wish the re-constituted RCAF knew how to wear a 'wedgie' hat properly!
N2erk is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 22:01
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Richmond Texas
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Glad I got out before 69. IIRC we lost the Cap, Field Service before that though.

After an excellent landing etc...
Flash2001 is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 22:13
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Stamford
Posts: 498
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
“There is no special thing about things that move in the air that means the other forces can’t do it”
Um, yes there is, ever heard of the 3rd dimension?

In other news, bit-part nobody makes ludicrous statement about something he really doesn't understand in order to gain media attention as part of a cheap publicity stunt.

Nothing to see here, move along.
Stuff is offline  
Old 22nd Mar 2014, 22:33
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 684
Received 9 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Stuff
Um, yes there is, ever heard of the 3rd dimension?
Yep. A submariner told me about it once.
hoodie is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2014, 13:07
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Far West Wessex
Posts: 2,579
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
I'm trying to read the book, but the basic argument seems to be that Clausewitz didn't see the need for an independent air force, so that settles it.

The fact that Claus-O popped his clogs shortly after the Rainhill Trials is apparently irrelevant. As is the fact that the record of his recommended kind of war (invade the enemy's lands and disarm his forces) has, in the industrial age, been mixed at best, up to and including the recent SWA unpleasantness.

But then I don't have a PhD so WTFDIK.
LowObservable is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2014, 15:38
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Somewhere Sunny
Posts: 1,601
Received 14 Likes on 8 Posts
Slight tangent - but the term 'professor' in Commonwealth academia is a grade - a rank, if you will. The progression is something like this:

Junior lecturer
Lecturer
Senior lecturer
Assistant Professor
Professor.
On retirement they can be appointed Professor Emeritus

Some universities have a variation on this - using terms such as 'Reader' etc. However, in the US system (and I don't know about the other America), all university lecturers refer to themselves as 'professors'. The ex Black Watch and ex FCO diplomat MP Rory Stewart referred to himself as having been a Harvard Professor. In reality, he had a semester or two as a visiting junior lecturer.

Just thought I'd mention this.
Whenurhappy is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2014, 16:08
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: The Whyte House
Age: 95
Posts: 1,966
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In a sense he is correct, whatever uniform you wear makes no difference to how you do the job; would you really be any worse at your job if you woke up one morning and were told you were now in the army or navy?

However his argument falls right down when he suggests that

“The Air Force also has a history of letting costs get out of control,” he said. “When that happens, they have to cut how many things they can buy.”
USS Gerald R. Ford was estimated to cost $8Bn in 2008, in 2013 was estimated to be $12.8Bn, and it is now possible completion may be delayed 2 years beyond its initial 2016 plan. Can't imagine the cost will remain stable throughout.

The Marine-led Osprey program his been similarly affected by cost escalation, not to mention timescale.

No idea about tanks and choppers, but one supposes that as M1 Abrams is likely to remain in service for some time, either by being upgraded or replaced on a 1 for 1 basis, and likewise the AH-64E is also a development of an extant vehicle, then development and production costs are likely to remain better under control than new from the ground up designs.

Whilst it's true that many USAF programs have got ever more extensive and delayed, they, for the main, been intended at least to represent huge capability leaps over their predecessors. I would also suppose that F-35 would been significantly cheaper had it not been hobbled by a requirement for STOVL.
Willard Whyte is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2014, 16:21
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: South Africa
Age: 87
Posts: 1,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is the report by the Smut's Committee available on-line?
ian16th is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2014, 18:22
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern UK
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For those of you who haven't already worked it out, UK in "UK professor" in this context actually stands for University of Kentucky. Any similarity to European nations is purely coincidental.
Occasional Aviator is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2014, 21:45
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Baston
Posts: 3,262
Received 644 Likes on 233 Posts
Um, yes there is, ever heard of the 3rd dimension?

submarines, anyone?
langleybaston is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.