USMC Aviator receives British DFC
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The Distinguished Flying Cross is a military decoration awarded to personnel of the United Kingdom's Royal Air Force and other services, and formerly to officers of other Commonwealth countries, for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying in active operations against the enemy".
I was not aware that the USA had joined the Commonwealth - or is this another dumbing down of the award after other ranks could be awarded the medal?
Do we have no tradition any more?
I was not aware that the USA had joined the Commonwealth - or is this another dumbing down of the award after other ranks could be awarded the medal?
Do we have no tradition any more?
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Wensleydale ... and would US Dress Regulations allow him to wear it Perhaps its a quid pro quo for the US award of the Bronze Star Medal (as they call it) to our people occasionally?
However, agreed on the "Well Done"
However, agreed on the "Well Done"
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I have absolutely no problem with acknowledging his bravery and great assistance to British troops. My point is that he is not eligible for the award under the rules! Had he been an American flying for the RAF (as often happened during WW2) then there would be no problem - but he is not!
Yes the Marine can wear the Medal....and will do so proudly. The question is where it would be worn in the "Stack" as I think Foreign Awards are worn below American Ribbons.
g. Foreign military decorations. Personnel who are specifically authorized by law to accept decorations from foreign governments may wear them in the order of their receipt after all U.S. decorations, the Good Conduct Medal, campaign
and service medals, and service and training ribbons. (See chap 9, AR 600–8–22, for application procedures to request authorization to accept and wear foreign decorations.) Personnel may not wear any foreign decorations on the uniform
unless at least one U.S. decoration or service medal is worn at the same time. Personnel will not wear foreign awards that do not conform to the standard U.S. size ribbon bar or medal.
and service medals, and service and training ribbons. (See chap 9, AR 600–8–22, for application procedures to request authorization to accept and wear foreign decorations.) Personnel may not wear any foreign decorations on the uniform
unless at least one U.S. decoration or service medal is worn at the same time. Personnel will not wear foreign awards that do not conform to the standard U.S. size ribbon bar or medal.
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Thanks SASless ... So, size may be a problem 
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Because without rules on gallantry awards it would be anarchy out there. This marine's courage and selfless act are a testimonial to a society in decline, a society where people do not understand the importance of where and how medal ribbons are worn. Or how seniority works at mess functions, and how a cavalier attitude to recovering mortally wounded comrades in arms can completely upset the careful staff work that went into the ACO/ATO. Thank God we still have people who see how individuals thinking for themselves are a threat to our very existence.
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As an ex-pongo, far too old for this conflict, I doubt very much if the evacuated guardsmen would give two hoots about whether or not it is correct that the award went to a yank!! No wonder people have the impression that we are a bunch of stuck-up arses!! Well done chap...and, as I said, as an ex-pongo, thank you to you and your team.
I was not aware that the USA had joined the Commonwealth - or is this another dumbing down of the award after other ranks could be awarded the medal?
I realise that you are being probably being intentionally facetious in the first clause of the above, Wensleydale, but whether the second clause is intended to be facetious or not, I feel that it requires serious reconsideration in view of the disrespect implied by both "another" and "dumbing down".
Serious admiration for Captain Jordan and his crew.
Jack
I realise that you are being probably being intentionally facetious in the first clause of the above, Wensleydale, but whether the second clause is intended to be facetious or not, I feel that it requires serious reconsideration in view of the disrespect implied by both "another" and "dumbing down".
Serious admiration for Captain Jordan and his crew.
Jack
Intentional or not....still a Dork!
Old habits just die hard I reckon.
Old habits just die hard I reckon.
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If you look at the picture, the chap on his right, the only other winner is wearing his DFC bottom right of his medals, but it look like minus the ribbon
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other ranks could be awarded the medal?
“This has been a very amazing and humbling experience for me,” Jordan said. “I really am accepting this on behalf of my flight crew and all of the maintainers who work tirelessly on keeping these aircraft operating.
“Without them none of these actions would have been possible.”
“Without them none of these actions would have been possible.”
Right, nice to clarify just where you are coming from. Could you supply a resume of your service including acts of "valour" in the face of enemy fire.
Chinless wonder?? perhaps, perhaps not???
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Right Wensleydale, if you are going to go out on a limb, it pays to have your facts right. I think regular members of this forum will recognise that I do know a bit about medals, so I feel entitled to give you a free lesson, which you are sorely in need of.
I quote from the original warrant dated 3rd Jun 1918, which instituted the Distinguished Flying Cross.
"Seventeenthly, it is ordained that Foreign Officers and gradings of an equivalent rank to those above mentioned who have been associated in Military operations with Our Army or our Indian, Dominion or Colonial Military Forces shall be eligible for the award of the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Air Force Cross, the Distinguished Flying Medal and the Air Force Medal"
Clear enough for you?
I think an apology for your fatuous "dumbing down" comment is now due, and an acknowledgment that you have been spouting off on a subject about which you apparently know little.
May I just add I think that this is an outstanding citation for the DFC and I congratulate Captain Jordan on a well-deserved award.
On the subject of wearing the medal, I do hope he gets a chance to wear it, if only for the fact that it's a much prettier medal than the US DFC
British DFC
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/images/o...ions/DFCLG.jpg
US DFC
http://0.tqn.com/d/usmilitary/1/0/m/D/dfc-3.gif
I quote from the original warrant dated 3rd Jun 1918, which instituted the Distinguished Flying Cross.
"Seventeenthly, it is ordained that Foreign Officers and gradings of an equivalent rank to those above mentioned who have been associated in Military operations with Our Army or our Indian, Dominion or Colonial Military Forces shall be eligible for the award of the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Air Force Cross, the Distinguished Flying Medal and the Air Force Medal"
Clear enough for you?
I think an apology for your fatuous "dumbing down" comment is now due, and an acknowledgment that you have been spouting off on a subject about which you apparently know little.
May I just add I think that this is an outstanding citation for the DFC and I congratulate Captain Jordan on a well-deserved award.
On the subject of wearing the medal, I do hope he gets a chance to wear it, if only for the fact that it's a much prettier medal than the US DFC
British DFC
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/images/o...ions/DFCLG.jpg
US DFC
http://0.tqn.com/d/usmilitary/1/0/m/D/dfc-3.gif
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In which case - I apologise if the award can indeed be given to a foreign national. I was using the MOD website as the source for who is eligible to receive the medal, so I expected that to be correct.
As I have said before - I have no doubt as to the bravery of this chap and his crew - my comments were based solely on the award criteria which it is incorrect on the MOD website (if the 1918 rules still hold good).
Needless to say - my comments about other ranks were a wind up to see how many bit.....
As for some other comments - I always understood that in order to win an argument one presented a good case (as TTN did most effectively). Those without facts who rely upon personal insult have usually lost.
In which case - I apologise if the award can indeed be given to a foreign national. I was using the MOD website as the source for who is eligible to receive the medal, so I expected that to be correct.
As I have said before - I have no doubt as to the bravery of this chap and his crew - my comments were based solely on the award criteria which it is incorrect on the MOD website (if the 1918 rules still hold good).
Needless to say - my comments about other ranks were a wind up to see how many bit.....
As for some other comments - I always understood that in order to win an argument one presented a good case (as TTN did most effectively). Those without facts who rely upon personal insult have usually lost.