Voyager Plummets (Merged)
I'll wait to hear from a more reliable source than the Daily Mail!
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Do we have to have it mentioned on EVERY thread ?
From Wiki: In 2017, a discussion panel of contributors to the English-language version of the Wikipedia website concluded that it could not generally be used as a reliable source due to its "reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication."
It was more a comment about the Daily Wail....and Wikipedia's apparent view that it is an unreliable source.
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I really do hope that the DM has got it wrong otherwise we have an officer giving evidence under oath saying that another officer who was a member of a SI threatened him with physical violence unless he lied when giving evidence to the SI. If true I'm not sure what it says about 'just culture'.
I also hope that Flt Lt Townshend is acquitted and Beags and others can say 'I told you so'. The alternative is that one of the most senior AT pilots in the RAF was stupid enough to lie/cover up or whatever... again 'just culture'!
I also hope that Flt Lt Townshend is acquitted and Beags and others can say 'I told you so'. The alternative is that one of the most senior AT pilots in the RAF was stupid enough to lie/cover up or whatever... again 'just culture'!
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The link I used wasn't from the Daily Mail, it was from the Telegraph, focusing largely on Flt Lt Jones as the GB Captain for this year's Invictus games:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...prince-harrys/
Either way, they are reporting what is said at a CM. While the press always spin for copy there are some serious accusations in there.
The link I used wasn't from the Daily Mail, it was from the Telegraph, focusing largely on Flt Lt Jones as the GB Captain for this year's Invictus games:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...prince-harrys/
Either way, they are reporting what is said at a CM. While the press always spin for copy there are some serious accusations in there.
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Dervish; I would like to think so.
Politely; yes my fault for not being clearer. The DM article was originally quoted by Hueymeister, reference:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204818/Invictus-pilot-tells-saved-nose-diving-plane.html
I have copied the relevant/contentious paragraph:
As he was preparing to give evidence, he told the court martial that Squadron Leader Nathan Giles - one of those investigating the incident - switched off the tape, grabbed him by the collar of his flying suit and said: “If you tell anyone about this I will break your ******* legs.”
I do hope they made it up!
Politely; yes my fault for not being clearer. The DM article was originally quoted by Hueymeister, reference:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204818/Invictus-pilot-tells-saved-nose-diving-plane.html
I have copied the relevant/contentious paragraph:
As he was preparing to give evidence, he told the court martial that Squadron Leader Nathan Giles - one of those investigating the incident - switched off the tape, grabbed him by the collar of his flying suit and said: “If you tell anyone about this I will break your ******* legs.”
I do hope they made it up!
dervish:-
You'd think so wouldn't you? We still wait for VSOs to be the subject of official investigation for the issuing of a knowingly false RTS that put a Grossly Unairworthy aircraft into full squadron service despite the Controller Aircraft Release limiting it to "Switch on Use Only". That should have limited it to being the most expensive procedures trainer ever and could thus have saved 29 lives. We still await investigation of the witnessed issuing of an order by a VSO to subvert the airworthiness regulations but sign them off as complied with. We still await investigation of the continuing cover up of the above to the extent that the formal inquiry into the Nimrod tragedy characterised it as a "Golden Period" of airworthiness! We still await investigation of the edict from ministers downwards that confirms that an order to subvert the regulations was correct and that disobeying such an order was an offence. We still wait...
It seems that all are equal under military law, but that some are more equal than others!
Surely in a 'just culture' all ranks who lie/cover up would be court martialled?
It seems that all are equal under military law, but that some are more equal than others!
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Grabbed his collar?
Really? Is the S/L still in the RAF?
I assume the implication/angle here is that the S/L was keeping options open for a cover up? Not under his own initiative one assumes. Something not quite stacking up here.
Really? Is the S/L still in the RAF?
I assume the implication/angle here is that the S/L was keeping options open for a cover up? Not under his own initiative one assumes. Something not quite stacking up here.
Could have sworn I'm hearing 'Haddon Cave' being muttered . . . .
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Daily Telegraph 8 Feb 17: "Flight Lieutenant Nathan Jones, 34, fractured his back and was left with several other injuries after the incident and was medically downgraded. He told the hearing how he crawled along the ceiling to wrestle back control of the plane, saving the lives of those on board by steadying the Voyager aircraft after it was sent into a 4,400ft-dive in just 29 seconds."
Service Inquiry (1.3.35): Injuries - "the Co-Pilot...received minor injuries".
Service Inquiry (Convening Authority Comments) "the aircraft's automatic high-speed protection system triggered after 13 seconds, reducing the engines to idle before commencing a sustained positive 'g' recovery"
Service Inquiry (1.3.35): Injuries - "the Co-Pilot...received minor injuries".
Service Inquiry (Convening Authority Comments) "the aircraft's automatic high-speed protection system triggered after 13 seconds, reducing the engines to idle before commencing a sustained positive 'g' recovery"