UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement
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C295 Maritime Patrol Aircraft - Naval Technology
Seems to tick all the boxes.
Anyone know how it performed in the NATO exercises mentioned?
Built and designed in Europe, Airworthiness certificates not a problem, and widely exported.
Seems to tick all the boxes.
Anyone know how it performed in the NATO exercises mentioned?
Built and designed in Europe, Airworthiness certificates not a problem, and widely exported.
Jayand: Seems to tick all the boxes.
What about its range?
Endurance?
Speed?
Payload (including weapons)?
Figures from your link don't look very good. 260 Kts max speed??
Same applies to the SAAB offering.
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Does it exist as an all up MPA?
What about its range?
Endurance?
Speed?
Payload (including weapons)?
What about crew comfort? Sending people out to work intensively for hours on end, in that?
Stop stuffing around - get P-8.
What about its range?
Endurance?
Speed?
Payload (including weapons)?
What about crew comfort? Sending people out to work intensively for hours on end, in that?
Stop stuffing around - get P-8.
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Roland the link answers all those questions and ticks all the boxes. Did you read the link? top speed 480 kts.
Crew comfort? This is the military we're talking about here not Virgin Atlantic lol and I suspect without admittedly having been in one that the comfort is fine (P3'S and Atlantiques have managed fine) This is a modern aircraft built in Europe, certified, used all over the world and ready to roll off the production line into service at a fraction of the cost.
If the politicans aren't interested in that I'd be very surprised.
Crew comfort? This is the military we're talking about here not Virgin Atlantic lol and I suspect without admittedly having been in one that the comfort is fine (P3'S and Atlantiques have managed fine) This is a modern aircraft built in Europe, certified, used all over the world and ready to roll off the production line into service at a fraction of the cost.
If the politicans aren't interested in that I'd be very surprised.
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Which all goes to show, it aint an easy answer!
During my tenure on the MRA4 project, there were endless calls for particular items. The answer was always that we 'wanted the Rolls Royce solution' and money was tight. We explained that it was the solution that would work and would be cheaper in the long run. 'Long run' don't count in civil service speak, this years budget is the only currency.
As it was the MRA 4 ticked all the boxes where sensors were concerned. You will therefore find all sorts of views on performance and sensors by some who know, some who think they know and others who have axes to grind, all valid views in my opinion. The solution is always a compromise after all.
I retired before the big JCB did its worst; but I still wonder what might have been. What was that book again, Dinosaurs, Donkeys and ?... must read that.
Which all goes to show, it aint an easy answer!
During my tenure on the MRA4 project, there were endless calls for particular items. The answer was always that we 'wanted the Rolls Royce solution' and money was tight. We explained that it was the solution that would work and would be cheaper in the long run. 'Long run' don't count in civil service speak, this years budget is the only currency.
As it was the MRA 4 ticked all the boxes where sensors were concerned. You will therefore find all sorts of views on performance and sensors by some who know, some who think they know and others who have axes to grind, all valid views in my opinion. The solution is always a compromise after all.
I retired before the big JCB did its worst; but I still wonder what might have been. What was that book again, Dinosaurs, Donkeys and ?... must read that.
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Jayand: Did you read the link? top speed 480 kts.
The C295 can fly at a maximum speed of 480km/h
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Ha, ok you might have me there 
Speed isn't everything though, and like it's been you have to compromise something with every platform.
Ejército del aire. CASA C-295 (T.21)
Speed isn't everything though, and like it's been you have to compromise something with every platform.
Ejército del aire. CASA C-295 (T.21)
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Its interesting to read that Japans P1 MMA is being bought not just to replace its P3 fleet but to Augment its upgraded MPA P3.
Japan Boosts ISR Abilities Across Domains
Japan Boosts ISR Abilities Across Domains
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Roland, the relevance? the picture is of a dedicated MPA aircraft as used by the Chileans, Mexicans and soon to be Spanish! Full of an intergrated mission system, able to do ASW, ASUW, has proven weapons capability and multi sensors including FLIR, MAD etc.
Is that not relevant?
Is that not relevant?
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The maritime patrol variant can be fitted with the FITS mission system, which integrates the data from the sensors. - Image - Airforce Technology
Have another look in case you missed it lol
Have another look in case you missed it lol
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but the the P-1 is an MMA.
Care to elaborate on your definition of "multi-mission aircraft" Mel?
Care to elaborate on your definition of "multi-mission aircraft" Mel?
All of these criteria are satisfied by the P-1.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Jayland, you must balance speed and endurance. Looking at Wiki the endurance between Cass295 and Nimrod is similar. Speed on task would be similar. The big difference is in transit speed. Nimrod could be on task in 90 minutes about an hour sooner than Casa, stay there a bit longer.
Jayand, I was referring to your post 1211, which takes you to lots of pictures of a 295 transport aircraft not an MPA and certainly not an MMA.
Mel. So what you refer to is a traditional deep water MPA in reality rather than an MMA.
Mel. So what you refer to is a traditional deep water MPA in reality rather than an MMA.
Mel. So what you refer to is a traditional deep water MPA in reality rather than an MMA.
I believe the P-1 was mentioned in the context of this thread because the poster (I can't remember who) suggested that it was not an MMA, and so inferior to the P-8 (which is classified by the US Navy as an MMA) and so not up to our requirements.
While not looking to get into the relative merits of the two platforms, the P-1 is designed to perform the same mission set as the P-8, and that was my point when I said that the P-1 is an MMA.
Out of curiosity, how would you differentiate a 'deep water MPA' and an MMA (specifically in relation to the UK's MPA requirements)?
