UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement
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Would it be so hard to take a dozen Orions from the boneyard???
Uncle Sam would prolly donate them.
It's still quite a decent MPA, and there's loads of the things in storage...
Uncle Sam would prolly donate them.
It's still quite a decent MPA, and there's loads of the things in storage...
Betty - I have a feeling that Anglian may have been making a barbed comment about our approach to procurement rather than a serious suggestion? (At least, I hope so...)
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A quick search to check what India and the Australians are paying for P8 vice the P1 unit cost is interesting. If Mr Wiki is to be believed , P1 comes in a hell of a lot cheaper. Lets face it, its also a hell of a lot more capable.
Australia is paying for a system, not just 8 airframes. We're buying new sims, new mx facilities, new GCSs, a US-based initial training system, in-country software labs, and establishing several forward support facilities.
India's P-8Is are likely a bit exxy due to the NREs associated with them being bespoke in nature, i.e. MAD, some indigenous capabilities, and some substituted hardware and software due to releasability issues.
Not sure how anyone can possibly assess what a P-1 would cost when Japan has only ordered development and pre-production examples so far, and no one else has looked closely at the costs of establishing it as part of a wider system.
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Hmmm, airframes, simulators, software support, American training, that's going to cost! Then you need people. Is rear crew training part of Mfts, to supply wsos and wsops to the mpa ocu? If not, that's going to cost.
Also if this really is a requirement I hope we look at all airframes not just p8.
Also if this really is a requirement I hope we look at all airframes not just p8.
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Whatever we buy all those costs will be incurred
The important thing is to buy SOMETHING 'cos right now we have nothing
One would hope that we'd buy the most cost-effective aircraft but...............
Whatever we buy all those costs will be incurred
The important thing is to buy SOMETHING 'cos right now we have nothing
One would hope that we'd buy the most cost-effective aircraft but...............
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Dervish, we have had successful software labs. The Nimrod and Tornado ADV were two. The E3 was outstanding; we hired Boeing engineers initially. We could then discuss suggestions face 2 face with the software team and advance concepts faster than in the US.
Typhoon also has its in-service support.
Typhoon also has its in-service support.
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No need for sarcasm mate, This is a discussion forum.
I like the P8 , I want the P8 but I also accept that it it is not the be all and end all - yet.
"The P-8A capabilities to meet the
ASW, ASuW, and ISR objectives will be delivered incrementally to the aircraft requiring continued research and development while full rate production continues for the baselineaircraft."
http://comptroller.defense.gov/Porta...ns.pdf#page=24
I like the P8 , I want the P8 but I also accept that it it is not the be all and end all - yet.
"The P-8A capabilities to meet the
ASW, ASuW, and ISR objectives will be delivered incrementally to the aircraft requiring continued research and development while full rate production continues for the baselineaircraft."
http://comptroller.defense.gov/Porta...ns.pdf#page=24
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The end of the thread is nigh.
The average member of the British public will neither understand or want any of the many requirements stated on Prune for MPA on this thread, and I dare say the average cabinet minister would either.
We are an island nation and trade and migrate accordingly over the oceans.
To that end in the future we will simply purchase an aircraft that is or has the following:
Reliable and reasonably modern and commercially viable, like what good airlines buy.
Long or very long range from a UK runway.
Has radar and other modern aids to locate people unfortunate enough to be in and at the mercy of the seas.
Be able to communicate and therefore steer other rescuers to the scene.
Possibly drop aid to people in the water.
And fly back to the UK again without crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Seriously, that's about it. Its fag packet stuff. If we cant, and lets face it, we cant, organise even this, then we should give up, which we have.
But in the future, cleverer and better British generations will work this out and simply do it, but I fear I will take a catastrophe to force them to it. Now please....end this thread.
We are an island nation and trade and migrate accordingly over the oceans.
To that end in the future we will simply purchase an aircraft that is or has the following:
Reliable and reasonably modern and commercially viable, like what good airlines buy.
Long or very long range from a UK runway.
Has radar and other modern aids to locate people unfortunate enough to be in and at the mercy of the seas.
Be able to communicate and therefore steer other rescuers to the scene.
Possibly drop aid to people in the water.
And fly back to the UK again without crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Seriously, that's about it. Its fag packet stuff. If we cant, and lets face it, we cant, organise even this, then we should give up, which we have.
But in the future, cleverer and better British generations will work this out and simply do it, but I fear I will take a catastrophe to force them to it. Now please....end this thread.
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We are an island nation and trade and migrate accordingly over the oceans.
To that end in the future we will simply purchase an aircraft that is or has the following:
Reliable and reasonably modern and commercially viable, like what good airlines buy.
Long or very long range from a UK runway.
Has radar and other modern aids to locate people unfortunate enough to be in and at the mercy of the seas.
Be able to communicate and therefore steer other rescuers to the scene.
Possibly drop aid to people in the water.
And fly back to the UK again without crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Seriously, that's about it.
To that end in the future we will simply purchase an aircraft that is or has the following:
Reliable and reasonably modern and commercially viable, like what good airlines buy.
Long or very long range from a UK runway.
Has radar and other modern aids to locate people unfortunate enough to be in and at the mercy of the seas.
Be able to communicate and therefore steer other rescuers to the scene.
Possibly drop aid to people in the water.
And fly back to the UK again without crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Seriously, that's about it.
To that end in the future we will simply purchase an aircraft that is or has the following:
Reliable and reasonably modern and commercially viable, like what good airlines buy.
Long or very long range from a UK runway.
Has radar and other modern aids to locate people unfortunate enough to be in and at the mercy of the seas.
Be able to communicate and therefore steer other rescuers to the scene.
Possibly drop aid to people in the water.
And fly back to the UK again without crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Reliable and reasonably modern and commercially viable, like what good airlines buy.
Long or very long range from a UK runway.
Has radar and other modern aids to locate people unfortunate enough to be in and at the mercy of the seas.
Be able to communicate and therefore steer other rescuers to the scene.
Possibly drop aid to people in the water.
And fly back to the UK again without crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Thank goodness you aren't in charge of procurement.
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RP, until HMG release, of find, funds you could put COCO the clown in procurement.