UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement
PA - A few options, not necessarily four types.
One way to go is high-end ASW/MPA + a smaller type (bizjet or regional prop-based) for the herring-thieves and smugglers. Saab will tell you that an AEW&C can double up for useful wide-area overwater surveillance, which might be a useful option.
IAI-Elta, meanwhile, have a separate ASW option but then offer AWACS, ground surveillance and SIGINT on a common platform (Gulfstream) with similar datalinks and workstations.
One way to go is high-end ASW/MPA + a smaller type (bizjet or regional prop-based) for the herring-thieves and smugglers. Saab will tell you that an AEW&C can double up for useful wide-area overwater surveillance, which might be a useful option.
IAI-Elta, meanwhile, have a separate ASW option but then offer AWACS, ground surveillance and SIGINT on a common platform (Gulfstream) with similar datalinks and workstations.
LO,
BAEs will also tell you that they can do everything Saab can do, but twice as good in half the time for a third of the price!!!!!!!
And as for earlier comments on Typhoon taking on the role
Saab will tell you......
And as for earlier comments on Typhoon taking on the role
LO,
I thought the "herring thieves" side of things you refer to had been done by the likes of:
» Maritime Surveillance
for the last 20 odd years, so why buy a military aircraft to start doing the job again?
I thought the "herring thieves" side of things you refer to had been done by the likes of:
» Maritime Surveillance
for the last 20 odd years, so why buy a military aircraft to start doing the job again?
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That's not really the point though, is it?!
It would be a foolish MoD that bought a one trick pony. What is being said is that any aircraft, that is hopefully procured, would have a Multi mission capability.
Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
It would be a foolish MoD that bought a one trick pony. What is being said is that any aircraft, that is hopefully procured, would have a Multi mission capability.
Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
Betty,
There's a balance to be struck. One-trick ponies aren't good. On the other hand, there's also a problem with what our German friends called Tornado at one point - der Eiergelegende Wollmilchsau (egg-laying, wool- and milk-producing pig).
P-8A is ASW, maritime patrol, overland and littoral ISR, missile- and mine-toting ASuW, SIGINT, platform for big-a$$ radar. Great, if you can afford it, but I suspect in UK service it will be carrying body length, extra hardpoints, big gennys and a whole lot of other heavy kit that doesn't get used.
There's a balance to be struck. One-trick ponies aren't good. On the other hand, there's also a problem with what our German friends called Tornado at one point - der Eiergelegende Wollmilchsau (egg-laying, wool- and milk-producing pig).
P-8A is ASW, maritime patrol, overland and littoral ISR, missile- and mine-toting ASuW, SIGINT, platform for big-a$$ radar. Great, if you can afford it, but I suspect in UK service it will be carrying body length, extra hardpoints, big gennys and a whole lot of other heavy kit that doesn't get used.
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Betty,
There is a point here, the optimum platform may not be a big jet which tries to do everything. A platform which can be re-rolled quickly to be able to do the high impact but infrequent missions will be cheaper. Why carry an acoustic system, launchers sonobuoys etc on a maritime surveillance mission. If you stumble across a submarine you will be able to track it until it goes sinker. In peace time that should be enough. Remember we are now intelligence led! If there was a chance of stumbling across something the ac fit may be different.
The cost of trying to put everything into offers the ability to change role within a single mission, but in reality this does not happen often. So you do end up carrying around an elephant for the whole life of the platform.
There is a point here, the optimum platform may not be a big jet which tries to do everything. A platform which can be re-rolled quickly to be able to do the high impact but infrequent missions will be cheaper. Why carry an acoustic system, launchers sonobuoys etc on a maritime surveillance mission. If you stumble across a submarine you will be able to track it until it goes sinker. In peace time that should be enough. Remember we are now intelligence led! If there was a chance of stumbling across something the ac fit may be different.
The cost of trying to put everything into offers the ability to change role within a single mission, but in reality this does not happen often. So you do end up carrying around an elephant for the whole life of the platform.
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Got any examples of this fantastic capability?
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Why carry an acoustic system, launchers sonobuoys etc on a maritime surveillance mission. If you stumble across a submarine you will be able to track it until it goes sinker. In peace time that should be enough. Remember we are now intelligence led! If there was a chance of stumbling across something the ac fit may be different.
The ability to carry out multiple roles is probably now more important, given the numbers of airframes available. You're going to need more than 4 airframes for 24/7 ASW.
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There is a point here, the optimum platform may not be a big jet which tries to do everything. A platform which can be re-rolled quickly to be able to do the high impact but infrequent missions will be cheaper. Why carry an acoustic system, launchers sonobuoys etc on a maritime surveillance mission. If you stumble across a submarine you will be able to track it until it goes sinker. In peace time that should be enough. Remember we are now intelligence led! If there was a chance of stumbling across something the ac fit may be different.
I'm not saying this is a viable option...I'm merely saying it's a valid point.
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UK launches new Rivet Joint flight test programme - IHS Jane's 360
What happens if the test flights and other studies reveal something unacceptable.
A valuable lesson.
Before someone says it P8 has been built to modern design and build standards......US standards.
What happens if the test flights and other studies reveal something unacceptable.
A valuable lesson.
Before someone says it P8 has been built to modern design and build standards......US standards.
I like the comment in the RJ story:
"This will augment the limited availability of detailed historical flight test information."
This sounds like "somewhere in the lower basement level of the Big Safari office, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."
"This will augment the limited availability of detailed historical flight test information."
This sounds like "somewhere in the lower basement level of the Big Safari office, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."
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Originally Posted by Jet In Vitro
Please enlighten me. I assume you mean P8 design and build standards can be read across to UK MoD requirements seamlessly?