UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement
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apparently we are getting a new MPA as well
UK To Spend £650m On Drones To Stop Russian Incursions Into British Waters
UK To Spend £650m On Drones To Stop Russian Incursions Into British Waters
apparently we are getting a new MPA as well
From the article:
Drones can spot hostile aircraft from 2,000 miles away and thanks to sophisticated cameras they can zoom in so close that they are able to identify the individual pilots.
A defence source told The Sun
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Heathrow Harry,
In asking that question, you have again displayed your complete lack of SA and knowledge for things maritime. In fact in even asking the question...
In asking that question, you have again displayed your complete lack of SA and knowledge for things maritime. In fact in even asking the question...
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We normally have ONE SSBN on patrol, occasionally two
The Russians currently have 13 active SSN's split between the Northern & Pacific fleets - probably no more than 4 of these are on patrol at any one time (probaly 3 Northern + 1 Pacific)
Seems a bit perverse to prioritise defence of our SSBN over all the other things an MPA is needed for ..................
The Russians currently have 13 active SSN's split between the Northern & Pacific fleets - probably no more than 4 of these are on patrol at any one time (probaly 3 Northern + 1 Pacific)
Seems a bit perverse to prioritise defence of our SSBN over all the other things an MPA is needed for ..................
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HH, using your hypothetical figures, what do you think the 3 SSN (AKA Attack or Hunter-Killer Submarine) were designed for and might be doing out there in the water?
You'll have to guess as you won't find it on the WWW
You'll have to guess as you won't find it on the WWW
Interesting P-8A question that has floated around for a while.
The USN a few years ago (well after P-8A got started) eliminated the MAD boom and sensor and started funding high-altitude ASW kit such as gliding torpedoes. Is this because:
(a) They found it was possible to do effective high-alt ASW, covering a wider area more efficiently, or
(b) They realized that any low-level excursion would completely
the P-8A's time-on-station?
The USN a few years ago (well after P-8A got started) eliminated the MAD boom and sensor and started funding high-altitude ASW kit such as gliding torpedoes. Is this because:
(a) They found it was possible to do effective high-alt ASW, covering a wider area more efficiently, or
(b) They realized that any low-level excursion would completely
the P-8A's time-on-station?
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MoD will buy P8.
Sun.
Sun.
From Written Parliamentary Questions 21 Jul 14
99 Angus Robertson(Moray):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what communication (a) he and (b) officials in his Department have had with the Boeing Company regarding the lease of four P-8A aircraft.
(206988)
Order Book Part 2 []
No smoke without fire, right?
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Ventre a Terre said:
MoD will buy P8.
Sun.
My money's on a lease to buy option!
From Written Parliamentary Questions 21 Jul 14
99 Angus Robertson(Moray):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what communication (a) he and (b) officials in his Department have had with the Boeing Company regarding the lease of four P-8A aircraft.
(206988)
Order Book Part 2 []
No smoke without fire, right?
From Written Parliamentary Questions 21 Jul 14
99 Angus Robertson(Moray):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what communication (a) he and (b) officials in his Department have had with the Boeing Company regarding the lease of four P-8A aircraft.
(206988)
Order Book Part 2 []
No smoke without fire, right?
Sun.
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LO - I have been reading about how the next generation of SSKs are supposed to have composite material hulls - something the USN had found feasible in the 1970s-90s:
http://www.ericgreeneassociates.com/...Composites.pdf
And there have been advanced in cancelling out the magnetic signature of metal-hulleds subs:
Demagnetising Subs
So it is possible that MADs are soon to be less-useful than they have been.
http://www.ericgreeneassociates.com/...Composites.pdf
And there have been advanced in cancelling out the magnetic signature of metal-hulleds subs:
Demagnetising Subs
So it is possible that MADs are soon to be less-useful than they have been.
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I thought the MAD capability was removed because of weight. Also the APU is in that area of the ac.
There are no tactical requirements which drive you to high level ASW. In fact it just increases the problems. Most ASW Sensors, at high level, will be degraded. The USN MPA radars have never been great compared to SEARCHWATER.
GPS guided sonobuoys, $800 a pop just for the basic types, wings on weapons etc all technically possible but just add expense and additional things to go wrong both technically and tactically.
The reasons for HLASW must be one or all, in varying degrees, of the following:
Ac performance.
Ac fatigue.
Other simultaneously tasked mission.
There are no tactical requirements which drive you to high level ASW. In fact it just increases the problems. Most ASW Sensors, at high level, will be degraded. The USN MPA radars have never been great compared to SEARCHWATER.
GPS guided sonobuoys, $800 a pop just for the basic types, wings on weapons etc all technically possible but just add expense and additional things to go wrong both technically and tactically.
The reasons for HLASW must be one or all, in varying degrees, of the following:
Ac performance.
Ac fatigue.
Other simultaneously tasked mission.
The point was in the form of a question. But there is some funny data around regarding P-8A OEW. The unofficial world is unanimous on 138,300 lb which sounds way too high. There is no official number I can find.
The original plan was to use the 737-700, but that changed to the -800 - 20 feet longer - to accommodate the APS-154. The structure has been beefed up for low flying and to carry multiple 1500-lb weapons under the outer wings. All that costs weight.
Also, the MAD was thrown out at the same time MTOW was nudged up a bit.
The original plan was to use the 737-700, but that changed to the -800 - 20 feet longer - to accommodate the APS-154. The structure has been beefed up for low flying and to carry multiple 1500-lb weapons under the outer wings. All that costs weight.
Also, the MAD was thrown out at the same time MTOW was nudged up a bit.
The P-8A can fly low level with no issues at all and can be fitted with a MAD boom; one customer has already chosen this option.
Try to think of the P-8A as an MMA than can also conduct its ops from high level. The high level capabilities are a bonus but when you are chucking out cheap stores, working in the visual domain or just reducing the RF horizon you will find the P-8A working at low level just like every other MPA.
The urban myths of the P-8A being incapable of traditional maritime flight profiles are just that - urban myths. It has plenty weight growth potential too.
Try to think of the P-8A as an MMA than can also conduct its ops from high level. The high level capabilities are a bonus but when you are chucking out cheap stores, working in the visual domain or just reducing the RF horizon you will find the P-8A working at low level just like every other MPA.
The urban myths of the P-8A being incapable of traditional maritime flight profiles are just that - urban myths. It has plenty weight growth potential too.
