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UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Old 29th Jul 2014, 14:42
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And there is nobody to replace them.
If they have any sense they'll apply to join their host nations' forces. I know for a fact that the Canadians are very keen & the guys at Jax have really excelled themselves.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 18:12
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I thought I'd heard that as part of the seedcorn "deal" the individuals had to fulfill a minimum return of service, several years, in the RAF after their return to UK. This was a measure put in place in order to prevent them jumping ship as F84 is suggesting they do.

However, perhaps I was misinformed, or if seedcorn is extended perhaps this requirement will be dropped, on the grounds it is no longer realistic, I believe one of the guys was 47/48 when he went!
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 21:01
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I suspect it doe not really matter too much what the TOCs are and what the budget is. We are talking about real peoples lives here...kids need an education, parents getting older and needing care, marital issues etc...

Five to six years then it unravels by itself.
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The Seedcorn personnel I know have all carefully considered the pros and cons mentioned by TOFO on whether they want to stay in the host nation, as did all the other people who have jumped ship over the years and none, from here, have returned to the UK permanently.

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Old 30th Jul 2014, 05:28
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We are talking about real peoples lives here...kids need an education, parents getting older and needing care, marital issues etc...

Quite right.
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Old 30th Jul 2014, 12:02
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"I thought I'd heard that as part of the seedcorn "deal" the individuals had to fulfill a minimum return of service, several years, in the RAF after their return to UK. This was a measure put in place in order to prevent them jumping ship as F84 is suggesting they do."

Quite right, however NEM and AFPS 15 was implemented after they signed on to the ROS.
As the pension briefer said," each individual must concider the many aspects of AFPS 15 aligned to there individual circumstances and after taking independant advice, decide accordingly"

How binding the ROS is, is now debatable.
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Old 30th Jul 2014, 16:52
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Have the Seedcorn folk signed anything ref ROS?

I have often heard of ROS quoted but I have never heard of anyone being held to the detail.


I suspect once a decision is made we will need to recall all the Seedcorn to support whichever platform is chosen. Some may end up in DE&S and other areas where their expertise will be required. Probabley not what most would expect.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 08:37
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I see from a (very) short item on the BBC news this morning that SoS for Def has spent the under-spend on some new toys for the cavalry (Scout armoured vehicles)? I hope they are narrow enough to fit through the streets of downtown Syria/Iraq. Looking at their spec - don't think I'd want to go up against a 'Ukrainian separatist' main battle tank in one! Co-incidentally saves jobs in South Wales in the same week as the Nato conference in...South Wales. Sometimes you'd think this nation's Defence policy was there for spin purposes...
Anyhoo - relating to MPA - the beeb showed a clip of some P3s during the story - did I miss something or was that "see what you could have won"?
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 09:01
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See Extract from HANSARD -Written Answers from 1 Sept 14. Last question from Kevin Jones re leasing 4 x P8 airframes, and interesting reply from the Minister.

1 Sep 2014 : Column 103W

Mr Dunne: The decision to extend the Sentinel long-range airborne surveillance aircraft until 2018 was made in the Departmentís most recent financial planning cycle. The decision was taken to preserve a capability to conduct wide area surveillance of operational environments in the short term, and to allow the longer-term requirement to be considered during the next Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence when the new contract to extend the life of the Sentinel aircraft until 2018 will be signed. [206329]

Mr Dunne: The Sentinel aircraft fleet is supported by a number of logistic support contracts, each of which has a different expiry date. Defence Equipment and Support is currently working to extend all contracts before their respective expiry dates.

Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what estimate he has made of the cost to the public purse of expanding the capabilities of the Sentinel R.1. [206985]

Mr Dunne: Enhancements to the Sentinel R1 aircraft are currently the subject of commercial negotiations. I am therefore withholding details of the potential costs, as the disclosure of this information would be prejudicial to the commercial interests of the Ministry of Defence.

Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what communication (a) he and (b) officials in his Department have had with the Boeing Company regarding the lease of four P-8A aircraft. [206988]

Mr Dunne: I am withholding the information requested, as disclosure would be likely to prejudice the formulation or development of Government policy
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House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 01 Sep 2014 (pt 0004)

1 September 2014

Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what communication (a) he and (b) officials in his Department have had with the Boeing Company regarding the lease of four P-8A aircraft. [206988]

Mr Dunne:
I am withholding the information requested, as disclosure would be likely to prejudice the formulation or development of Government policy.
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Hardly 'spending the underspend' when it's the first production order on an almost 20 year project. ( what was FRES)
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sorry, forgot to add my "being facetious" tag to my comment Personally, given the manipulation of Defence budgets and figures for political ends, I no longer pay attention to the amounts quoted. They have zero resemblance to the end cost anyway.
Thanks to the above posters for the updates re the 4xP8 rumours - interesting 'swerve' in the answer. Perhaps we should all refrain from asking these important questions on the grounds that it may " prejudice the formulation or development of Government policy." Maybe we are expected to just pay the bill and not worry about how it is calculated or what we get for it?
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And it's an interesting change to the previous denial that any discussions had taken place.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 13:49
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Perhaps we should all refrain from asking these important questions on the grounds that it may " prejudice the formulation or development of Government policy."
No, don't. This is the sole repository of MoD's corporate knowledge. This really hit home a few weeks after I retired. An IPT got a contractor to invite me out to lunch and then a couple from the IPT turned up half way through. "We saw one of your posts on PPRuNe. Can you explain it because we're in a hole".

Dave f68 - You'll have them running around wandering what FRES is/was.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 18:45
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Well the Requirements Manager for this particular requirement has been nominated and starts his new role as the MMA RM in a couple of weeks.

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And he's a good bloke.

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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 21:11
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Just read a transcript of the SOS speech Prior to the summit. Maritime Security featured quite a bit along with investing in new Equipment. I think I shall put a bottle of Blue Nun on ice for Friday.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 23:03
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Must go back through these pages and get the quotes ready for posting following the official announcement.

I suspect once a decision is made we will need to recall all the Seedcorn to support whichever platform is chosen. Some may end up in DE&S and other areas where their expertise will be required. Probabley not what most would expect.
From todays Independant:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...t-9672666.html

Perhaps they won't need the Seedcorn personnel.
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'Just this once' and Sun Who - you are such teasers - go on, drop a hint...is he recent ex-MPA?
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Ex-maritime AEO but with recent experience of another ISTAR platform.
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