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UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Old 24th Apr 2014, 13:06
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Sorry, I'm still obviously being too obtuse. I was suggesting that there might be an option of a lease-purchase of MPA to fill the gap faster and affordably in the short term - just as we did with the C17.

Nothing to do with FSTA (which I agree is a barking mad option for the delivery of a front-line capabilty (and just as mad as leasing your flying training fleets and instructors)).
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 13:37
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No Roland, I got your meaning OK. I used "buy" to infer the lack of funds and, obviously the option of hiring a Cessna 150 with a pair of bino's would still be possible.

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Old 24th Apr 2014, 17:44
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The USN's budget proposal, which still requires Congressional approval, calls for the service to buy eight Poseidons in FY2015: down from an original plan to order 16.
from last week's Flight International.

Oh look, a spare 8 on the production line. Now I wonder if they could be leased or hire-purchased??
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Old 24th Apr 2014, 19:06
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Possibly Lend-Lease 2, if the USA feel that would be cheaper than covering the job themselves!

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Old 5th May 2014, 21:47
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Once upon a time, when their Airships were trying to sort out a "modern" multi-role combat aircraft and eye-watering amounts of money were being proffered, the acronym MRCA was modified by some wag(s) to mean "Must Refurbish Canberras Again". The MRCA eventually became the Tornado variants.

Recently I've heard a lot about MRSA, apparently free to selected patients of the NHS and private medical facilities in UK.

Might it also stand for "Must Refurbish Shackletons Again", there were 4xAEW variants corroding quietly at Paphos, others allegedly in USA and a pristine example in the endangered Manchester Museum of Science and Industry?

No more ridiculous a suggestion than the one which proceeded to fruition in the form of the AEW Nimrod, One Thousand Million Pounds down the drain in the 90s, before we applied fact, logic and reasoning and plumped for the E3A.

Whoever said there is no money might like to read "Burning Our Money" by Mike Denham and reassess the possibilities?

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Old 7th May 2014, 03:03
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Or the UK could maybe lease or buy a COTS option...
Just sayin...
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Old 9th May 2014, 14:33
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Q105 onwards is revealing.

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Old 9th May 2014, 15:08
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Thumbs up Maritime

Forget the shacks unles you do a new build with turboprops!!How about the ShinMaywa SS-2 ,land or sea with a range of 2500 miles?
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Old 9th May 2014, 15:10
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I really wish I could find the Liam Fox interview with BBC Radio Scotland's evening news show a couple of days after SDSR10 when he said that the capability was needed, just Nimrod 4 wasn't the platform to deliver it, and that we would have to re-visit it when the economic situation had improved.

I can't have been the only one to hear it!!
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Old 9th May 2014, 15:42
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I would remind people to re-read post 421 on this very thread.

While it may not be on many peoples 'radar' south of the border, it is a very real issue, and more likely to occur than many of the things being discussed on here - as I was reminded when I walked past the rented yesscotland office in my local town just 2 days ago...
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Old 10th May 2014, 13:08
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as I was reminded when I walked past the rented yesscotland office in my local town just 2 days ago...
Please let me know if there are any of these offices in England, I'd gladly donate to that cause.

We had a flying badge made many years ago when a crew member insisted on wearing the Saltire, when in the RAF, instead of the Union Jack (Although he was born in England (Albeit to Scottish parents.))

It looked very similar to this:



Looked rather fetching as I recall.

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Old 10th May 2014, 14:00
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Ah yes. Well done. That got lots to do with this thread...
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Old 10th May 2014, 14:11
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Kawasaki P-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Four engines, designed from the outset for MPA/ASW etc. What's not to like? And the Japanese have now relaxed their restrictions on exporting military equipment.
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Old 10th May 2014, 16:00
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Having spent my Service career flying on or supporting Nimrod MR2 operations I always had the upmost confidence that the combined efforts of “Team Kinloss” would put an aircraft on top of a vessel in distress in our SAR AOR in the shortest time possible. Once there they always provided an excellent service.

Having left the RAF 18 months ago, I now find myself sitting off-shore, bobbing around in the blustery and grey North Sea. With the demise of our MR capability I now see the picture from the other side, and I must admit that I now have absolutely no confidence that the same level of service and capability would be provided. (and before anyone says it - I am not suggesting that it is my leaving that has brought about this lack of capability!!)


What a shocking state to find oneself!!

(I know that the primary mission for MR aircraft was not SAR, but seeing as I am not involved with ASW/ASuW/CT or any of the other Military Tasks out here, I thought I’d highlight my views from a self-preservation angle!)
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Old 10th May 2014, 17:57
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"Four engines, designed from the outset for MPA/ASW etc. What's not to like?"

almost as long in development as the F-35, $ 140mm each plus $3Bn in dev costs, grounded due to engine problems

And no, it wasn't built by BAe...................
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Old 10th May 2014, 20:30
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Japanese mpa sink a sub..

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Old 11th May 2014, 16:49
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How about a P1 built under licenses in UK with best of breed sensors?

May be different engines.

We could then sell this platform to others who can not afford the P8.
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Old 11th May 2014, 22:24
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Interim Fincastle Competition Format

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=726_1399469699
Brilliant Stitchbitch, has the Fincastle committee seen this? It's just what we need while we take our capability holiday!
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Old 12th May 2014, 02:22
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Originally Posted by Jet In Vitro
How about a P1 built under licenses in UK with best of breed sensors?

May be different engines.

We could then sell this platform to others who can not afford the P8.
Yes - lets modify it (+labor/administrative costs) with more expensive equipment & engines, adding in the cost of re-certification of everything due to the modifications.

That ought to bring the cost per aircraft up to match the P-8. Normal UK-MOD procedure.
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Old 12th May 2014, 06:00
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I vote for a ShinMaywa US-2. It has not four but five engines (eat that, P-8) of which four are RR and the fifth is half-RR. And instead of tossing expensive high-tech GPS sonobouys out from FL300 and hoping for the best, it can do what the PS-1 was originally designed to do - land on the open ocean and use a dipping sonar, which happens to be something that the UK builds very well. I suspect that would put the twitch up the commander of the best AIP boat out there.

It could be called the Sunderland 2...

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