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UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Old 15th Apr 2014, 17:40
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Ah but look at all the Chinooks and re-vamped Puma's we're going to have.
Just the thing for shifting sandbags or dead badgers around the west
country.
There's always a need for helicopter lift that goes beyond Afghanistan. The Chinooks have been on continous ops since entering service in 1981, and we're going to need them whatever operations the future throws up.
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 00:42
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...and this thread is about LRMPA...
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 06:14
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There's always a need for LRMPA that goes beyond Afghanistan. The Nimrods had been on continuous ops since entering service in 1969, and we're going to need LRMPA whatever operations the future throws up.
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 07:06
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P-8 Flies with LSRS
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 07:20
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Very nice.

I bet the USAF is pissed off.
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 08:35
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Thats also Sentinel replaced in A future RAF Multi Mission Aircraft.

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Old 16th Apr 2014, 12:18
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I wouldnt be surprised to see bits of it appear as it breaks up, if it hasnt already, remember this one?

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Old 16th Apr 2014, 13:16
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GreenKnight,
I don't think the USAF is pissed off. The whole Sequestration business has re-focused a lot of folks.
But, looks like the correct platform is being introduced...
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 07:26
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A fleet of P8, WedgeTail and LSRS would be an excellent solution to current MOD air ISTAR optimisation work, with many benefits across the Defence Lines Of Development. Although each platform will fall short of UK requirements in some areas, overall 3 viable solutions.

Unfortunately, cost of ownership is outside the current funding bubble for ISTAR unless we do something radical like rent the platforms. It may be possible along C-17 lines.

Also I am sure the lack of UK content will bring out the MPs with vested interest in UK jobs. I note that MOD has stated that it is not there to keep the UK defence industry in work but unfortunately MOD is a subordinate department and political considerations will prevail.

We need leadership with vision and courage (and funding) to make big decisions and not fiddle around the margins. A Big Bang approach (retire sentinel and E3 earlier than planned) is required. Unfortunately, Boeing would, I suspect, only be able to trickle ac to the UK as they seem to have full order books so some fleet components would it be able to fulfil concurrency requirements for some time.
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 07:51
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I think I'd choose something other than Wedgetail.


https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...program-05173/

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Old 17th Apr 2014, 07:55
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A Big Bang approach (retire sentinel and E3 earlier than planned) is required.
I thought Sentinel was planned to be out of service next year, unless you know otherwise. How early were you thinking?
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 08:32
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E-3 is the Sentry.
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 10:14
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I think I'd choose something other than Wedgetail.
I do not think there are many currently available options other than Wedgetail that come anywhere near UK requirements, and the article is definitely "glass half empty" in the way that it is written.

Wedgetail has more than proven itself over the last couple of years in terms of performance and reliability, with huge potential for future improvements.



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Old 17th Apr 2014, 12:12
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A bloke in the pub told me Sentinel is funded to 2018.

I would retire the current platforms on a one to one basis as Boeings become available.

Current ops allowing!
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 14:01
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A bloke in the pub told me Sentinel is funded to 2018.
Really? I would have thought a decision like that would be plastered all over the Raytheon/RAF/MoD websites.

How well informed is your mate?
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 00:55
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with huge potential for future improvements
You mean huge potential to fix the problems that have been dogging it and delayed the Final Operational Capability.
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 09:09
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PFMG,

Bloke in the pub normally has good info. The is a big difference between having an option identified an a something actually happening.

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The UK needs to understand MOD is no longer funded for high end ISR capabilities.
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 09:39
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Bloke in the pub normally has good info. The is a big difference between having an option identified an a something actually happening
So are you saying there is an option to extend to 2018 rather than an actual decision, in which case no change.
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 12:24
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Bloke in pub indicated the option was mature. ABC 14 should be out soon and we shall see.

If I was a betting man I would give it 60% chance. The RAF will need something to show at the 100 year anniversary of the RAF!
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You mean huge potential to fix the problems that have been dogging it and delayed the Final Operational Capability.
FOC is as much about manning and support as it is about aircraft performance. If Australia had as much money to throw at the project as the USN have done for the P-8, then yes, we would have had a more capable aircraft than we currenly have, but it would also cost a significant amount more. Compared to some recent UK procurement projects, Australia has now got a world leading capability for a 'fixed price' contract, good value in other words.

As regards to future potential, I will leave that to your imagination, but potential there certainly is!

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