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From Norfolk Police Website
8 January 2014 I 07:59
With daylight approaching the multi-agency investigation into the helicopter crash on the North Norfolk coast will continue.
A USAF Pave Hawk HH60 helicopter from RAF Lakenheath crashed at the north end of East Bank on the Norfolk Wildlife Trust Cley Marshes Nature Reserve at around 7pm yesterday evening, Tuesday 7 January 2014.
The four occupants in the helicopter sadly died in the crash, details of the deceased will not be released until next of kin have been informed. It is not believed that anyone in the surrounding area has been injured.
The crash site, which lies to the west of East Bank in marshland between the A149 and the coastline, remains cordoned off today, Wednesday 8 January, for the safety of the public and those working to investigate the crash and recover the wreckage.
A second helicopter from RAF Lakenheath which landed on the marshes shortly after the crash also remains at the scene.
Chief Superintendent Bob Scully from Norfolk Constabulary, said: "In order to carry out a thorough investigation in a safe manner, the area will remain cordoned off with no access for the general public.
"We will be working with our partners at the Ministry of Defence, Air Accident Investigation Branch and US Air Force to gather all evidence from the scene and then recover the aircraft.
"This is difficult terrain with marshland and tides coupled with wreckage containing munitions covering a large area.
"We must undertake this investigation and recovery operation in a careful and methodical way so we can provide answers as to why this crash happened.
"For reasons of safety it is essential that members of the public adhere to the cordon. The popular activities of walking and bird-watching in this area will therefore be restricted until we have completed these tasks and ensured the marshes are safe.”
The A149 remains closed through Cley; access to Beach Road and East Bank is also restricted and there is no coastline access to the crash site.
8 January 2014 | 05:30
Emergency services and military personnel remain at the scene of a helicopter crash on the North Norfolk coast in which four people have died.
A USAF Pave Hawk HH60 helicopter from RAF Lakenheath crashed at the north end of East Bank on the Norfolk Wildlife Trust Cley Marshes Nature Reserve at around 7pm yesterday evening, Tuesday 7 January 2014.
Police can now confirm that the four occupants in the helicopter sadly died in the crash, details of the deceased will not be released until next of kin have been informed. It is not believed that anyone in the surrounding area has been injured.
A 400m cordon remains around the crash site which lies to the west of East Bank in marshland between the A149 and the coastline. A second helicopter from RAF Lakenheath was also in the area at the time of the crash and set down on the marshes to try to assist, this was within the cordon and so this aircraft remains at the scene whilst inquiries are ongoing. The A149 remains closed through Cley; access to Beach Road and East Bank is also restricted and there is no coastline access to the crash site.
Investigators from the police and other partners have visited the crash site to assess the scene. Due to the geography and the munitions from the crashed helicopter, inquiries into the cause of the collision, the recovery of the wreckage and second aircraft and an environmental assessment are expected to take a number of days to complete. To ensure the safety of people in the area and those involved in the ongoing inquiries, members of the public are asked to respect the cordons that are in place.
Assistant Chief Constable Sarah Hamlin said: “I would like to pass on my condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of those US Air Force personnel who have sadly lost their lives in this tragic incident. Emergency services, the military, partner agencies and volunteers have been working through the night to deal with this difficult situation on our coastline and I would also like to thank them for their professionalism and resilience.
“As our inquiry moves on today and the recovery of the aircraft begins, I would urge the public to stay away from the area – the cordon and road closures are in place to allow our experts to carry out these processes safely and there is no risk to members of the public if this section of marshland is avoided.”
7 January 2014 I 22:50
Officers are currently at the scene of a helicopter crash which is thought to have taken place at around 7pm this evening in the A149 Salthouse area on the North Norfolk coast.
The helicopter has been confirmed as a USAF Pave Hawk HH60 helicopter from RAF Lakenheath and four occupants are thought to have died in the crash. Next of kin will be informed before further details on the victims are released.
It is not believed that anyone in the surrounding area has been injured. However, there remains a 400m cordon around the site, which is standard for this type of incident, whether civil or military. An assessment is still being carried out around the munitions which may be on the aircraft and advice from the military is being taken.
All emergency services are at the scene while investigations continue. To ensure their safety, members of the public are asked to respect the cordons that are in place as enquiries are ongoing.
7 January 2014 I 21:25
Police are currently dealing with a single helicopter crash in the Cley area, on the North Norfolk coast.
There are believed to be four fatalities.
Officers are on the scene, with a 400 metre area cordoned off. More details to follow.
With daylight approaching the multi-agency investigation into the helicopter crash on the North Norfolk coast will continue.
A USAF Pave Hawk HH60 helicopter from RAF Lakenheath crashed at the north end of East Bank on the Norfolk Wildlife Trust Cley Marshes Nature Reserve at around 7pm yesterday evening, Tuesday 7 January 2014.
The four occupants in the helicopter sadly died in the crash, details of the deceased will not be released until next of kin have been informed. It is not believed that anyone in the surrounding area has been injured.
The crash site, which lies to the west of East Bank in marshland between the A149 and the coastline, remains cordoned off today, Wednesday 8 January, for the safety of the public and those working to investigate the crash and recover the wreckage.
A second helicopter from RAF Lakenheath which landed on the marshes shortly after the crash also remains at the scene.
Chief Superintendent Bob Scully from Norfolk Constabulary, said: "In order to carry out a thorough investigation in a safe manner, the area will remain cordoned off with no access for the general public.
"We will be working with our partners at the Ministry of Defence, Air Accident Investigation Branch and US Air Force to gather all evidence from the scene and then recover the aircraft.
"This is difficult terrain with marshland and tides coupled with wreckage containing munitions covering a large area.
"We must undertake this investigation and recovery operation in a careful and methodical way so we can provide answers as to why this crash happened.
"For reasons of safety it is essential that members of the public adhere to the cordon. The popular activities of walking and bird-watching in this area will therefore be restricted until we have completed these tasks and ensured the marshes are safe.”
The A149 remains closed through Cley; access to Beach Road and East Bank is also restricted and there is no coastline access to the crash site.
8 January 2014 | 05:30
Emergency services and military personnel remain at the scene of a helicopter crash on the North Norfolk coast in which four people have died.
A USAF Pave Hawk HH60 helicopter from RAF Lakenheath crashed at the north end of East Bank on the Norfolk Wildlife Trust Cley Marshes Nature Reserve at around 7pm yesterday evening, Tuesday 7 January 2014.
Police can now confirm that the four occupants in the helicopter sadly died in the crash, details of the deceased will not be released until next of kin have been informed. It is not believed that anyone in the surrounding area has been injured.
A 400m cordon remains around the crash site which lies to the west of East Bank in marshland between the A149 and the coastline. A second helicopter from RAF Lakenheath was also in the area at the time of the crash and set down on the marshes to try to assist, this was within the cordon and so this aircraft remains at the scene whilst inquiries are ongoing. The A149 remains closed through Cley; access to Beach Road and East Bank is also restricted and there is no coastline access to the crash site.
Investigators from the police and other partners have visited the crash site to assess the scene. Due to the geography and the munitions from the crashed helicopter, inquiries into the cause of the collision, the recovery of the wreckage and second aircraft and an environmental assessment are expected to take a number of days to complete. To ensure the safety of people in the area and those involved in the ongoing inquiries, members of the public are asked to respect the cordons that are in place.
Assistant Chief Constable Sarah Hamlin said: “I would like to pass on my condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of those US Air Force personnel who have sadly lost their lives in this tragic incident. Emergency services, the military, partner agencies and volunteers have been working through the night to deal with this difficult situation on our coastline and I would also like to thank them for their professionalism and resilience.
“As our inquiry moves on today and the recovery of the aircraft begins, I would urge the public to stay away from the area – the cordon and road closures are in place to allow our experts to carry out these processes safely and there is no risk to members of the public if this section of marshland is avoided.”
7 January 2014 I 22:50
Officers are currently at the scene of a helicopter crash which is thought to have taken place at around 7pm this evening in the A149 Salthouse area on the North Norfolk coast.
The helicopter has been confirmed as a USAF Pave Hawk HH60 helicopter from RAF Lakenheath and four occupants are thought to have died in the crash. Next of kin will be informed before further details on the victims are released.
It is not believed that anyone in the surrounding area has been injured. However, there remains a 400m cordon around the site, which is standard for this type of incident, whether civil or military. An assessment is still being carried out around the munitions which may be on the aircraft and advice from the military is being taken.
All emergency services are at the scene while investigations continue. To ensure their safety, members of the public are asked to respect the cordons that are in place as enquiries are ongoing.
7 January 2014 I 21:25
Police are currently dealing with a single helicopter crash in the Cley area, on the North Norfolk coast.
There are believed to be four fatalities.
Officers are on the scene, with a 400 metre area cordoned off. More details to follow.
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I rarely comment on tragedies like this so early in the investigation.
However, I think you are being somewhat disingenuous to the Norfolk Police Superintendent and his statement to the press. He might have pronounced the name of the helicopter in a way you dislike, but that does not negate his statement. Picking up on the pronouncement of one word seems somewhat petty.
Condolences to all those affected by the accident.
I rarely comment on tragedies like this so early in the investigation.
However, I think you are being somewhat disingenuous to the Norfolk Police Superintendent and his statement to the press. He might have pronounced the name of the helicopter in a way you dislike, but that does not negate his statement. Picking up on the pronouncement of one word seems somewhat petty.
Condolences to all those affected by the accident.
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I was following this on radio 5 live last night. It wasn't long before an 'expert' was wheeled out to give their expert opinion. Last night it was Paul Beaver, who said the black hawk is not a widow maker (is that the best phrase in the circumstances) and that it was probably an accident and not mechanical failure.
So, do we still need to do any investigating now that someone who hasn't been to the site has spoken !
A caller then came on air to tell her story. She hadn't seen or heard the crash, and said she only occasionally sees helicopters in the area.......... What the hell is wrong with people these days that make them feel the need to call up and spout nonsense?
RIP to the crew and condolences to their families and friends.
So, do we still need to do any investigating now that someone who hasn't been to the site has spoken !
A caller then came on air to tell her story. She hadn't seen or heard the crash, and said she only occasionally sees helicopters in the area.......... What the hell is wrong with people these days that make them feel the need to call up and spout nonsense?
RIP to the crew and condolences to their families and friends.
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Very sad to hear.
Not just Wildfowl, hundreds of thousands of waders of all sizes
and in huge flocks moving about with the tide.
Not just Wildfowl, hundreds of thousands of waders of all sizes
and in huge flocks moving about with the tide.
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Why oh why do the uninformed public always hear the engine "misfiring" just before an aircraft crashes?
"It sounded like the engine was on fire!"
Surely it is disrespectful to air such rubbish so publicly - you don't need to be an aviator or an expert to see what a daft statement that is.
The Plod are not hired for their ability to read. write, and speak English are they?
Does one ever "happily" die in a crash?
I hope they do a better job performing the "Cordon" than they do Pressers.
The four occupants in the helicopter sadly died in the crash,
I hope they do a better job performing the "Cordon" than they do Pressers.
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Teetering, I read an article a while back that I think was to do with the AAIB, and that said the Public's perception of what they heard or saw can actually be better than that of an "expert" witness, be it Pilot or Engineer. Simply because they have no preconception or knowledge of what is happening, so they tell it in their own words what they heard or saw, and that can be more accurate in certain incidents.
So sounds of backfiring it is... similar to the bird strike of the 757 airliner leaving Manchester that took several down one engine, film below. If you didn't know what a stall or surge was, how else would one describe it? one would use terms you understand.
ThomsonFly 757 bird strike & flames captured on video - YouTube
RIP Guys and my condolences to family and friends.
So sounds of backfiring it is... similar to the bird strike of the 757 airliner leaving Manchester that took several down one engine, film below. If you didn't know what a stall or surge was, how else would one describe it? one would use terms you understand.
ThomsonFly 757 bird strike & flames captured on video - YouTube
RIP Guys and my condolences to family and friends.
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They are showing aerial shots of the crash site on the BBC, sadly not a lot left 
BBC News - Norfolk Helicopter crash : Aerials of scene
BBC News - Norfolk Helicopter crash : Aerials of scene
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I have some sympathy with that view, but I was really wondering what an engine on fire sounds like???
the Public's perception of what they heard or saw can actually be better than that of an "expert" witness,
I read an article a while back that I think was to do with the AAIB, and that said the Public's perception of what they heard or saw can actually be better than that of an "expert" witness, be it Pilot or Engineer. Simply because they have no preconception or knowledge of what is happening, so they tell it in their own words what they heard or saw, and that can be more accurate in certain incidents.
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Your version of the English language may be different to that in England but that wording is the norm in this country. Suggest you don't make aspersions on the professionalism of the British police. You are always complaining that we are needlessly having a go at your countrymen - don't do the same in reverse.
What is happening is entirely in accordance with the law of this country. The US authorities will not be prevented from making their investigations.
In simple words "can it".
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Your version of the English language may be different to that in England but that wording is the norm in this country. Suggest you don't make aspersions on the professionalism of the British police. You are always complaining that we are needlessly having a go at your countrymen - don't do the same in reverse.
What is happening is entirely in accordance with the law of this country. The US authorities will not be prevented from making their investigations.
In simple words "can it".
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AC....if an American Police PR type made exactly the same statement I would have been saying the same thing. Where did I say the "British Police".....as my comment was quite generic.
You are looking for insult where there was none.
Bad Grammar is bad grammar be it English or American.
You are looking for insult where there was none.
Bad Grammar is bad grammar be it English or American.
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What the hell is wrong with people these days that make them feel the need to call up and spout nonsense?
To whom it may concern: Why not just keep the speculation to yourself, or simply wait for the reports to be officially issued?
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Has anyone looked at the chart for that area. Isn't it SFC-500 restricted? Someone alluded to this earlier. Blakeney Point Bird Sanctuary now has an RA(T) active SFC-5000.
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There is a restriction over nature reserves just immediately to the west of the accident site that covers the North Norfolk coast from Blakeney as far west as The Wash down towards Kings Lynn. At my club Pilots are asked not to fly in this area below 1000 feet.
On the Local News tonight Mr Bernard Bishop who is The Warden of Cley Nature Reserve stated that there is a local agreement with the Military that flying will not take place over Cley Reserve during The Breeding Season but that it is permitted at other times.
These helicopters are familiar to many of us in North Norfolk. It is not unusual to see them touching down during daylight hours on the small airfield at Weybourne which is not very far away from the accident site.
On the Local News tonight Mr Bernard Bishop who is The Warden of Cley Nature Reserve stated that there is a local agreement with the Military that flying will not take place over Cley Reserve during The Breeding Season but that it is permitted at other times.
These helicopters are familiar to many of us in North Norfolk. It is not unusual to see them touching down during daylight hours on the small airfield at Weybourne which is not very far away from the accident site.
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So called expert??
I cannot believe what I heard a short time ago on BBC News24!! Paul Beaver on discussing the incident stated he was surprised as to how intact and structurally sound the crashed helicopter appeared to be!! I am amazed that someone of his supposed stature was not aware that there was another helicopter involved in the training exercise that landed shortly after the crash and it is this helicopter that is on the sand dunes!