RAF AT to the Philippines?
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True. The only thing I learned from 2 years of A Level history is there is no right answer and two sides to every story.
Then there's the conspiracy theorist in me that thinks the govt never does some
thing for a simple reason and there must be another political motive lurking in the background.
Then there's the conspiracy theorist in me that thinks the govt never does some
thing for a simple reason and there must be another political motive lurking in the background.
Originally Posted by gr4techie
A good publicity photograph.
All you need is the token Wren holding a rescued baby in the foreground.
All you need is the token Wren holding a rescued baby in the foreground.
David Cameron@David_Cameron56m
I can announce Britain is sending the carrier HMS Illustrious to help with #TyphoonHaiyan - Government aid also now £20m+.
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I can announce Britain is sending the carrier HMS Illustrious to help with #TyphoonHaiyan - Government aid also now £20m+.
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Did the C17 take much into the affected area when it deployed? they certainly appear to be camera shy at the moment. Seen coverage of an EK charter jet 'flying' the flag for the UK.
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Originally Posted by Lightning Mate
Just what help will an air defence destroyer be able to give ?
One such part of that training is to deal with a civil disaster that can be just about anything but the idea is where these sailors will have to go into a village that has been the victim of a significant natural disaster.
When this type 45 arrives, clearly its aircraft will do what aircraft do, but the sailors will go ashore and start to sort out whatever they can in that very specific area.
This is just an example of some of the things this air defence destroyer will be able to give
1. Sanitation... They will organise some type of mass toilet facilities
2. Water.. The ship will be making fresh water and as much of it as possible. We are talking in the tons per day.
3. The chefs will go ashore and set up huge canteens where they will start cooking food for as many people as they can.
4. Shipwrights will try to repair essential buildings
5. mechanics\artificers will try to sort out power to get the electricity working.
6. Mechanics and sailors will try to get water flowing through damaged pipework
7. The doctor and his staff will set up a hospital to carry out whatever aid is required and if the ship carries a fully qualified doctor (which this ship does) they will also no doubt be able to carry out emergency surgery.
8. This ship I believe carries a dentist so any major dental work can be carried out..
9. Schooling for the children if deemed appropriate or more likely some of the married personnel will set up play camps for these traumatised children and get them playing and no doubt laughing.
10. Mechanics\artificers will try to repair broken,essential machinery.
11. Electricians will try to get the power distributed once the engineers have sorted out the generators....
That is just a few of the things that ship will be doing and it will not be for only 120 hours a month that they will be required to work. The essential work will start when they arrive and will stop when they leave. It will be hot, extremely dirty, hazardous, exhausting, but all in a day's work for the senior service. I find it sad that this type of work does not get the publicity it deserves but I guess because it has always been a regular requirement, we simply treat it as just another duty!!
I say that because ever since I can remember our warships deploy with the required equipment to deal with these sadly regular events (definitely not as bad as this one)
When our carrier arrives then that ship has the exact same capabilities but more so, plus she has much better equipped workshops where the artificers can repair or manufacture bigger and better parts.
What will your C130 do?
Cheeky banter and every little will help this devastated country
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What will your C130 do?
But not much dentistry or schooling I expect......
In all seriousness I'm just glad that everyone is finally starting to react, a bit late but better late than never. This shouldn't be the time for some kind of w*lly-waving 'my relief effort's better than yours', the people need help now (or better still, last week).
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Totally agree and this post was in response to a number of queries which hopefully have now been answered with a smile on the face. I should imagine the Daring would have had its pedal to the metal the instant it was told to proceed with 'Full Despatch' .
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Originally Posted by ZH875
A larger number of free ex navy i-Pods than a rubber dinghy.
Ouch.. That was below the belt 
Whilst I am waggling my willy I had to think back to what other major things I might have missed out and instantly thought about the installing or trying to maintain law and order. The ship will also have to supply patrols to stop looting or any other serious disorder.
There have been countless posts about the cost of an aircraft carrier and we all accept these things are not cheap but once again this is a perfect example of just how flexible these vessels can be. That American carrier has made a substantial difference to that countries lift capability. Has it trebled the number of helicopters that are being used at this disaster?
It would be nice if Illustrious has embarked some military support to help Jolly Jack in this awful, horrible natural disaster.
I see on Sky news mention that a C130 is to be deployed for "distribution" of aid in theatre. This looks like what Albert was designed to do. In and out of small island airports with useful, break down loads from international arrivals. Somebody seems to be using their heads, and their aircraft for their capabilities. Good luck lads, I'm sure you will do a great job.
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Caribou's would have been useful although the quantity not that high
they always seemed to be operated on rough and ready strips and
short landings.
they always seemed to be operated on rough and ready strips and
short landings.
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Glojo.
I don't know if you are deliberately misleading us because you are Navy and want your relief effort to wave more willys than ours. But I think you are over estimating what is possible with the resources of your little boat. You may be able to look after a 100 people and light up a 12x12 tent, but being able to make a difference to 100,000's and rebuild an nation would realistically require a lot more.
Does the ship carry 1000's of portaloos? Or are you talking about digging a hole in the ground?
Where are you going to store all this water once you have made it all? Do you have 10,000 green bottles?
How many cooks do you have? Do they have an entire field kitchen to feed an army and how much food have you got?
What with?
If you are going to do more than light up the insides of a tent. How are you going to generate sufficient electrical power that can replace the lines from a power station? You will need quite a few pretty big diesel generators.
Underground pipework that requires heavy plant machinery?
Is that one Dr with only enough medication for the ships company?
As above.
Do you carry on your little boat, all the books and learning resources used by a school. Any qualified teachers?
If they have the right tools and parts to hand.
I imagine the cabling used on the national grid maybe of a thicker and more industrial grade than the cable used to repair the instrumentation of your boat.
Bring in what is really needed for all my points raised above.
I don't know if you are deliberately misleading us because you are Navy and want your relief effort to wave more willys than ours. But I think you are over estimating what is possible with the resources of your little boat. You may be able to look after a 100 people and light up a 12x12 tent, but being able to make a difference to 100,000's and rebuild an nation would realistically require a lot more.
1. Sanitation... They will organise some type of mass toilet facilities
2. Water.. The ship will be making fresh water and as much of it as possible. We are talking in the tons per day.
3. The chefs will go ashore and set up huge canteens where they will start cooking food for as many people as they can.
4. Shipwrights will try to repair essential buildings
5. mechanics\artificers will try to sort out power to get the electricity working.
6. Mechanics and sailors will try to get water flowing through damaged pipework
7. The doctor and his staff will set up a hospital to carry out whatever aid is required and if the ship carries a fully qualified doctor (which this ship does) they will also no doubt be able to carry out emergency surgery.
8. This ship I believe carries a dentist so any major dental work can be carried out..
9. Schooling for the children if deemed appropriate or more likely some of the married personnel will set up play camps for these traumatised children and get them playing and no doubt laughing.
10. Mechanics\artificers will try to repair broken,essential machinery.
11. Electricians will try to get the power distributed once the engineers have sorted out the generators....
What will your C130 do?
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You want light, bring in small portable solar lights, cheap and they work.
Bottles - looking at the number of those Office Water Cooler type bottles
that were lined up amazed me.
Bottles - looking at the number of those Office Water Cooler type bottles
that were lined up amazed me.
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Just to fill some of you in:
Whilst much of the rest of the world is spending bucket loads of taxpayers money sending or paying aid to Philippines here on Siargao Island, last evening, 100 Mayors had rented out a resort with grub and disco etc. to p1ss up and dance the night away at taxpayers expense.
Surely the party would have been planned and organised before the typhoon struck Leyte, which is next door to us here on Mindanao, but the party could very easily have been cancelled and the proceeds donated to the relief fund.
So whilst the rest of you are out collecting and/or sending money and aid please don't mind that here in the Philippines the politicians remain drinking and dancing their nights away.
Whilst much of the rest of the world is spending bucket loads of taxpayers money sending or paying aid to Philippines here on Siargao Island, last evening, 100 Mayors had rented out a resort with grub and disco etc. to p1ss up and dance the night away at taxpayers expense.
Surely the party would have been planned and organised before the typhoon struck Leyte, which is next door to us here on Mindanao, but the party could very easily have been cancelled and the proceeds donated to the relief fund.
So whilst the rest of you are out collecting and/or sending money and aid please don't mind that here in the Philippines the politicians remain drinking and dancing their nights away.
Phileas....
That sort of information gets me angry - but it's the same the world over. The people in power are so far removed from the 'ordinary man', not matter what his circumstance. You are spot on in saying it should have been cancelled BUT we should not let this take away from getting help to the poor, innocent people who have been affected.
But 100 mayors? I'm sure they are worth their pay, their expenses, gold plated pensions etc - just like our UK politicians....
Good luck to all out in the Philippines doing aid relief.
That sort of information gets me angry - but it's the same the world over. The people in power are so far removed from the 'ordinary man', not matter what his circumstance. You are spot on in saying it should have been cancelled BUT we should not let this take away from getting help to the poor, innocent people who have been affected.
But 100 mayors? I'm sure they are worth their pay, their expenses, gold plated pensions etc - just like our UK politicians....
Good luck to all out in the Philippines doing aid relief.
With such a huge disaster having only recently occurred, I was surprised that the BBC's annual Children in Need luvvy-fest wasn't changed so that all proceeds would go to the Philippines.
On second thoughts, we're talking about the BBC......
On second thoughts, we're talking about the BBC......
