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Cold War, Hot Jets BBC2 2100 Friday

Old 10th Nov 2013, 16:40
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If you look closely at the footage of the JP front end, the bang seat triangle cleary has Inert written on it.
I could clearly see the Inert sign on the Vampire that was shown some minutes later, but not on the JP which appeared to have no red triangle.
You think the would still remove them even if the seat is inert, a bit like calling 3 Greens on fixed wing aircraft, leaving pins in because seats are inert might one day catch someone out in a live seat aircraft and I cannot see any reason not to remove them, in an emergency would you know the seats were inert and could indeed have a placard by the pins.
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 21:38
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Just watching tonight's programme. Apart from the commentator not knowing what a barrel roll is, fascinating stuff.

Have I seen any PPRuNers tonight?
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 22:10
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Another excellent program, quite a few shots I've not seen before.

Didn't like the bit where he spoke over Churchill's speech as that made it slightly more difficult to hear.

Would also liked to have seen a more more on the Lightning

Did chuckle slightly when the Cuba alert clip was shown with a missile with "Drill" painted on it and when they spoke of a Lincoln being shot down in the Berlin corridor and showed a B17.
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 22:25
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I really enjoyed that. Although I was relieved at the end to discover I missed nowt special at Wembley in the meantime.
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 22:28
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Unfortunately the same journo view on the TSR2.. "It was a traversty being axed", not that it was a dogs dinner of a specification that was never likely to be fulfiled even by the best efforts of BAC.. Shame the Empire of the Clouds wasn't transfered into a documentary..
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Didn't like the bit where he spoke over Churchill's speech as that made it slightly more difficult to hear.

I thought that was very silly - the only jarring note in an otherwise good programme.

Sergei Kruschev showed himself to be a man of taste and discernment when he said that of the three V Bombers he had seen at an airshow, he was particularly impressed by the Victor Seriously the Victor B1 in anti-flash white really did look like something out of the future!
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 22:40
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A shame that the U-2 segment didn't include Martin Bee, even though he appeared in the Lightning segment....

Sergei Khruschev seems a fascinating chap - he must have a lot of tales to tell!

I was rather amused that the 'post-release' segment about getting back to the UK was obviously filmed in a Jet Provost!

But overall, a refreshingly good programme. But it's a pity that there isn't enough Victor footage available to avoid the use of Victor tanker clips in bomber documentaries...
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If an aircraft( Victor /Vulcan) was on QRA during ground icing conditions how was it de-iced in time to launch within the QRA window.?
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 22:48
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What happened to 558? All we saw was the forlorn and forgotten Woodford Vulcan. They should have also covered the loss of the Vulcan over Syerston and the leading edge mod.

I wpuld have liked to see the TSR2 piece go onto Harrier, Jaguar and Tornado - the Cold War didn't finish in the 70s!

I enjoyed the program, but it is, to me, unfinished. I also noticed the horrific B17 error and also the drill round. Nice to see RPE and Tom Eeles, though

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Old 15th Nov 2013, 22:55
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So why not finish the story? What about the tactical nuclear stuff?

Far too much about the V-Force for me!
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 23:39
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I agree, surely a 3rd episode covering the late 70s and 80s is a must! They mentioned that the Lightning was retired a year before the Wall came down so why not go onto the development and use of Tornado/Harrier/Jag /Buccaneer/Phantom etc...?
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 23:48
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Leon, hundreds of years ago (it seems) I worked with Mrs. RPE, she was far too nice for him, even though he was a nice bloke.
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 23:58
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Yes some good footage but far too much waffle. It didnt really need as much 1960's scene setting. That time could have been given over to other aircraft. Oh, and 'only the best crews were chosen to fly in the V bombers' .... not how I remember it!!
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 00:14
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Just watched the first episode thanks to iPlayer and about to watch second.

I personally didn't think the Provost was too heavily featured, in fact I thought some of the cinematography was stunning.

Also just Wiki'd Eric Winkle Brown. Being ex FAA I'd heard of him but until tonight never knew his career. Notwithstanding the vagaries of wiki... a truly remarkable man and career
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 00:49
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I've found what Part 3 should be on You Tube - Jags, Buccs, TSR2, Vulcans, Victors and Tornado all included. All that BBC would need to do is re-dub it!


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Originally Posted by anotherthing
Just watched the first episode thanks to iPlayer and about to watch second.

I personally didn't think the Provost was too heavily featured, in fact I thought some of the cinematography was stunning.

Also just Wiki'd Eric Winkle Brown. Being ex FAA I'd heard of him but until tonight never knew his career. Notwithstanding the vagaries of wiki... a truly remarkable man and career
You have to read his book 'Wings on my sleeve.'
It's excellent.


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Old 16th Nov 2013, 08:05
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
If an aircraft( Victor /Vulcan) was on QRA during ground icing conditions how was it de-iced in time to launch within the QRA window.?
They were deiced regularly. I remember one night the QRA crews themselves used a Landrover with dozer blade keeping the dispersal clear while the ground crew kept the route from dispersal to runway open.

One crewman managed to drive the dozer in to a snow drift. His relief complained that he had had to spend an hour digging it out again.

I am not aware of at any time during my time of a station going black for QRA.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 08:34
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Originally Posted by clicker View Post
a missile with "Drill" painted on it and when they spoke of a Lincoln being shot down in the Berlin corridor and showed a B17.
IIRC that was a film clip of a QB17 shot down by a Nike test vehicle. I can't remember if it was a clip on general release or one we were shown during training.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 08:38
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Originally Posted by nimbev View Post
Oh, and 'only the best crews were chosen to fly in the V bombers' .... not how I remember it!!
That depends on the period. By the time you joined the V-force it was well on the way to becoming a routine assignment with first tour captains, copilots made up to captains and general talk of dilution.

Before that, 50s and early 60s it was certainly true. Copilots with 1000 hours, nav radars with a one-year NBS course, plotters with a previous Canberra tour or more. Some crews transferred en mass from Valiant to Vulcan.
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 08:44
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Originally Posted by BEagle View Post
at the 'post-release' segment about getting back to the UK was obviously filmed in a Jet Provost!
I flew with Pete West for a period. Getting back to the UK was a euphemism for post-flight recovery.

Some aircraft had routes that were sufficiently short so they could recover direct but most had recovery bases in Norway, Denmark and Turkey.

Certainly in the 50s and early 60s crews carried the addresses and telephone numbers for the embassies on each country and were instructed to phone home. I think the expectation early on was that the nuclear strike would not have been an absolute as overkill had yet to be established.

They were quite right that nuclear gave more bang for the buck, who could argue at 1/ton?
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