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Cold War, Hot Jets BBC2 2100 Friday

Old 9th Nov 2013, 08:41
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Having described the shock and horror over how good the MIG15 was, some shots of neatly parked and clearly roundelled Canadair Sabres passed without comment.

Numerous shots of the Comet were shown but it would have been nice to see at least one shot of the world's first jet airliner to fly.
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 09:24
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GBZ - You mean the Nene Viking?
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 09:32
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Always there has to be bias....... How many RAF pilots flew U-2s and later iterations and how many USAF?
The implication in the Documentary was that the RAF did the lions share which has to be untrue surely?
Also no B-47s or B-36 footage or did I nod off? Agree about the Jet Provost [including smily presenter] footage being far too long. RB-45 footage from Sculthorpe was excellent.

DH110 footage brought back some buried memories of the screams as the wreckage hit the crowded slopes behind my viewpoint.
I think the title expectation was that of all Cold War jets but, as a British programme I guess emphasis on the British angle, especially the lead we had, made it inevitable that there would be a British bias.

There was B52 footage but more as a scene setter.
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Just hope the next one is not all about the V Force!

Need to see some Lightning footage!
Half of the programme devoted to Valiants and Victors refuelling Lightnings ought to keep us both happy
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On the DH110 crash, I wonder if that stopped any export potential or were the Javelin and Sea Vixen too advanced for export where the night fighter threat was not seen as great?
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I thought, on the whole, not a bad start ... I do agree the JP piece was a little out of place. Would have liked to have seen more on the Canberra.

Looking forward to next week ... Plenty of AD Lightning action please, in addition to the expected V Force ops
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All these ideas maybe there should be a PPRuNe Productions company, to make a sequel, with all the bits we old guys would like to see though watering eyes..............I'll get my coat

(yes and more Canberras, and where was aunty Betty's best toy, the Gnat.)
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 10:30
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I received an email from the LPG at Bruntingthorpe informing me that the team had spent a day with them up there.

In the trail at the end of part 1 was a rearward facing view from a camera on the fuselage of XS904 with is blasting down the runway at Brunty with afterburners engaged...
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Wander00, that would be the one.

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Thanks T one. I know they were with the boys at the LPG so look forward to some footage of the Lightning.

We are trying to save 713 which is at Leuchars and move it to Wattisham to join others in the museum. She is the last complete Mk 3 and spent a lot of time on 111 Squadron. Any donations would be great and details can be found on the Tremblers website and the LPG website!
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The bit showing next weeks programme had shots of the Brunty lightning doing reheat runs down the runway with cameras attached to it filming it from the outside, looked awesome.
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Good luck with that newt

One can never have too much Lightning footage, and with a bit of interspersed V Force action (no doubt featuring Cuba) it is something I am looking forward to viewing next week.
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To be technically correct the Nene Lancastrian was the first jet aircraft to carry passengers in 1946...

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GBJ - That will be the one. Always thought it a bit incongruous - jet engines and that tubby fuselage.

LJ - But ISTR it still had piston engines in the inboard nacelles, so was not a "pure" jet.

(Mods - is it worth amalgamating this and the similar thread on AH & N)
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The Merlins were shut down and feathered when running on the jets...

First to fly was Lancastrian VH742, delivered to the Rolls-Royce flight development airfield at Hucknall in October 1945. Its outer Merlin engines were removed and the nacelles were also taken away, while the fuel system was completely rebuilt to carry both gasoline for the inner engines and kerosine for the new jets. In the outer positions were added completely new nacelles housing Nene turbojets, then the most powerful jet engines in the world. It flew again on August 14, 1946 with two Merlins and two Nenes.

On September 19, 1946 this aircraft acted as the world's first jet airliner by making three passenger flights carrying representatives of the Press as well as Ministry officials and other passengers (who were all most impressed and suggested that an airline that could offer jet travel would be the talk of the world). Rolls-Royce also flew a second Nene-Lancastrian, VH737, and two Avon-Lancastrians, VM732 and VL970. The latter was used for almost six years, its later flying being concentrated on the Avon 502 civil turbojet for the Comet 2 airliner.
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 13:10
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U-2 Pilots from 1955 to 2000

Test Pilots = 15
CIA Pilots = 30
RAF Pilots = 15
CAF Pilots = 29
USAF Pilots= 645

Total = 734

(CAF = nationalist Chinese Air Force - Taiwan)

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Rex Saunders did the original "Spies in the Sky" documentary with the late great John Crampton, so Auntie would still have his details.

Eric Brown has done a few documentaries for the Beeb, so again they would have retained his details.
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OK LB, I give in....W
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Plonking review in the loss-making Grauniad, including (classic) mis-identification of a Vampire/Venom as a Victor.
Cold War, Hot Jets ? TV review | Television & radio | The Guardian
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YK ...
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As I feared the footage accompanying the program was inappropriate. It would have made far more sense to have shown the Meteor in the role of a fighter than standing by a T7 and droning on. Some of the purported MiG-15 footage showed the Lavochkin La-17. No mention of the Jet Provost being a development of the Leonides Provost. Why oh why can't the TV companies (especially the BBC) bother to employ an expert to find the right footage? Somebody who served in the ROC perhaps? All in all the program was a disappointment - but are we surprised?
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