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Old 27th Oct 2013, 23:01
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Sorry, Raven but aside from being wildly off thread, the Swissair fire was so severe the pilot seats had molten metal poured onto them. What kind of uniform do you recommend for that? Would nomex suits would have made the slightest difference? For what it's worth I've yet to come across an acrylic or nylon airline uniform. Most are a wool mix which, while by no means fireproof, compares quite well in terms of fire resistance to the pre-nomex issue of RAF suit.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 00:13
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I've often found it amusing that people pour scorn on aircrew for wearing flying suits on the ground when not flying and yet many of those same people wear combat clothing when they have not the slightest intention of crawling around in the mud fighting a battle.
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Up front the same airline's pilots - as all other airlines' pilots - disdain cotton or wool, or long sleeves. Sad, and reprehensible.
Far too many years ago, one of my first flying instructors (CCF Flying Scholarship) told us off for wearing t-shirts to fly a Cessna 150. He undid his shirt cuffs and showed us the badly scarred tissue that extended from his wrists to nearly his elbows - he had been flying a Canberra with his flying suit sleeves rolled up above his flying gloves when the aircraft had suffered a flash fire. A very visible lesson was learned by us all.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 09:12
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Flying suits are perfectly acceptable for RPAS/drone/UAV drivers.

It's the strapping in to a 5-point harness and connecting up the dinghy lanyard that gets me!
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Ken Scott
I've often found it amusing that people pour scorn on aircrew for wearing flying suits on the ground when not flying and yet many of those same people wear combat clothing when they have not the slightest intention of crawling around in the mud fighting a battle.
In my previous posting, we wore number 2B (short sleeved) routine WORKING dress. Same for every course I have been on. Believe it or not, it is perfectly okay to wear no 2B uniform sat behind a desk, it will not kill you. I must only wear CS95, or whatever is replacing CS95 this week, about once a year for CCS or when OOA.

I just find it baffling rpas operators must wear a flying suit to control a drone flying over Angela Merkel.

I once knew an aircrew bod, who was punted to the units airshow office whilst he was holding. He wore his flying suit every day to the office whilst he was waiting for his flying training to start. Yes, we did give him stick for it.

I once read a complaint on a station commanders forum asking why everyone has to get changed out of their coveralls and into no 2 dress to walk into clothing stores, except Biggles in his flying suit?
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 12:34
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Flying suits at a desk? What's wrong with uniform?
Probably because the MOD haven't got around to procuring Multicam Slippers and Dressing Gowns for them yet.

I've often found it amusing that people pour scorn on aircrew for wearing flying suits on the ground when not flying and yet many of those same people wear combat clothing when they have not the slightest intention of crawling around in the mud fighting a battle.
But then again, try walking around the station, going into the Airmens mess, SHQ, Medical Centre etc in Engineering overalls, same thing really, they should stay at work flying wise ( Manned).

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Old 28th Oct 2013, 13:34
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The big difference that many seem to miss is that a flying suit is an official uniform. (No 14?), whereas I do not believe that engineering overalls are.

The subject is a pretty boring perennial for the haters but iRaven hit the reasons on the head and, as Len said, while most of the army pitch up to work in MTP (or variants of) there really is no rational argument against aircrew wearing flying suits, whether they actually get airborne that day or not.

Personally I think it is a good reminder to those around the stations that think the RAF is about admin rather than Air Power.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 20:38
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No 14 dress it is

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...00FC6755B7.pdf
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