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Old 8th Oct 2013, 13:42
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This may be a daft question, but could anyone offer a view on why someone would try to 'dead stick' a Lightning rather than eject?
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Old 8th Oct 2013, 14:25
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I was D120A. Far too hot down there too!

If the seat did not work or the canopy would not jettison!

It was also found out that it could be landed wheels up with the engines working!!
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Old 8th Oct 2013, 15:41
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Ah - yes, the famous Wattisham display teams. Most squadrons used to have (in 't'old days') a 'Wing-Ding' on a Friday afternoon, but Wattisham made that into a 'Ventral Ding' tradition. Much tittering on the senior squadrons up north, but if I recall correctly the first Wattisham squadron to groove the runway was followed a subsequent Friday by the other squadron repeating the 'unfortunate event', obviously not wishing to be outdone...............

I think the games stopped at that point.
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Old 9th Oct 2013, 12:58
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Have done extensive research on the Lightning, in terms of sinking back onto the runway after take off I make it five as follows

1) 6/5/66, XM213 of 226 OCU, S/L Paul Hobley
2) 27/9/66, XR714 of 111 Sqn, F/O Graham Pritchard
3) 9/1/68, XN728 of 92 Sqn, F/L David Cousins
4) 29/10/71, XR711 of 111 Sqn, F/L Eric Steenson
5) 7/8/72, XP700 of 29 Sqn, F/O George Fenton

The first four ended in the barrier and F/O Fenton ejected after take off. If anyone knows of any others I would like to hear about them.

There were certainly two incidents where Lightnings were landed wheels up.
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Old 9th Oct 2013, 15:55
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Don't recall seeing Dave Cousins reach the barrier - the jet just ground to a gentle halt about level with our line where I was stood half in / out of an F2 cockpit watching the drama unfold .
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Old 9th Oct 2013, 17:00
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Thanks neilf92, I stand corrected!
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Old 9th Oct 2013, 20:13
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Whereas Paul Hobley nearly reached the Colt Village to Guardroom road. I almost spilt my morning coffee.
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Old 9th Oct 2013, 23:10
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Eric Steenson, would that have been the QFI I had a great low level trip in a bulldog with, when he was a QFI on ULAS circa 1977/79 from Abingdon. Fine pilot, can't have stoofed the greatest fighter ever built I'm sure.

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Old 10th Oct 2013, 07:59
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but could anyone offer a view on why someone would try to 'dead stick' a
Lightning rather than eject?
If you mean with no engines...

no engines = no hydraulics = no flying controls
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 18:12
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Dead stick

Didn't someone try to eject and the canopy jammed. He dead sticked it in a field(windmilling engines gave hydraulics) but hit a tree and the canopy came off and fired the seat.

This produced the double pull handle if I'm not mistaken

Hope 3rd October was fun. I'll make it one day
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 22:22
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It was fun parts but too many missing to make it a great day!!
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Old 11th Oct 2013, 15:37
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That was a Wattershambles a/c, 56Sqn. Ejection seat failed to fire as the canopy did not release , superb forced landing unluckily ended in tragedy when a/c stopped by a tree, canopy dislodged and seat fired thru the tree

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Old 6th Feb 2014, 23:03
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Air traffic audio from Lightning XR769.

Pilot ejects at Spurn Point after suffering engine fire.

Ejection at about 06:10 into audio.

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Old 6th Feb 2014, 23:23
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Dick Coleman was flying XR769, Ian Black was in the second Lightning...

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Old 6th Feb 2014, 23:32
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Seem to remember Dick Coleman was Australian. Wasn't he the last guy to bang out of a Lightning?
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Old 6th Feb 2014, 23:48
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Originally Posted by thing
Seem to remember Dick Coleman was Australian. Wasn't he the last guy to bang out of a Lightning?
Yes he was Australian and, yes, he was the last pilot to eject from a Lightning. It was April 1988, only about 2 months(?) left to go...

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Old 7th Feb 2014, 00:15
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I remember him getting wet. Was at Binbrook 85-88 and remember Charlie Chan going in over Cyprus way and Baz Lennon bending an F3 in a work up display flight (saw that one).

Does anyone remember the name of the M.Plt who used to run the sim at that time? Little guy, let me have a go one day. Bit basic wasn't it.

Talking of M.Plts I have a photo in front of me of 38 LCC-Oct 67 and there's a M.Plt Rowe in the photo. Didn't realise that M.Plts were still flying fighters at that time.
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Old 8th Feb 2014, 07:57
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Originally Posted by Petrolhead View Post
The Caravan called a wing strike but there were no scratch marks on it!

25 minutes in my log book - 5 seconds of it I will never forget
Out of curiosity, who took the photograph.... spotter, someone in the caravan?

Hopefully not the runway controller?
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