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RAF Leuchars air show, USAF no show?

Old 7th Sep 2013, 16:16
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Just a thought, Outlawpete

Kinloss is easier to get to than Lossie, has a railway station, a nice long runway and, sadly, loads of ramp space and accommodation The weather is probably better than Leuchars or PIK too
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 16:21
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SASless - he's done one of those too.....WG655 into a field post total engine failure. Unfortunately the slide swerved into a tree and the crew were lucky to get out relatively unharmed.

Re the Prestwick bird (TF956) IIRC the gear was asymmetrically deployed and stuck; ie one fixed leg down, and despite a couple of hours of pushing/pulling and head scratching the decision was made to abandon her. I think the Aircrew Manual said that it was not recommended to land on one leg due to the risk of flipping over.

Lovely aircraft.....would be a tough choice between the Spad and a Sea Fury!
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 20:02
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Airshow Organisation

I organised the Waddington Airshow in the late nineties. I can see that it is more difficult these days with the shrinking of budgets and the reduction in the size of Air forces worldwide. The guys who sit behind desks for hours on end at the end of a telephone trying to persuade people to participate have my deepest sympathy - it is not easy. Also trying to achieve a balanced show is hard work, and therere is also the high rank factor, where after you have organised the display, someone one with stars on their shoulders throw you a wobbly, like 'were having some VIPs to lunch at 1pm and don't want noisy jets farting about in the circuit - so make sure the noise level is kept to a minimum'. Re-write the programme...

We have to accept that the military world is shrinking and increasingly short of the readies. No longer can we call up matey on an old Sqn to come and do a beat-up. Everything is so regimented that it is painful. Live with it and realise that the guys are doing the best they can...
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 20:22
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But that's the problem. You're right in everything you say, and yet the conclusion that we simply accept things as they are seems to be the difficulty. If that attitude prevails then the remaining shows will get worse and eventually disappear completely.

Surely, the only sensible way forward is to abandon the whole show format and start afresh. Re-examine the "safety" rules that prevail and re-examine the relationship between routine/operational flying and display flying. My guess is that if there was enough will to look at things differently without any agenda, a really good event could be staged. I just fear that nothing like that will happen because nobody seems willing to think outside of the same parameters that have applied for decades.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 20:25
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Well FJJP they certainly did their best today - it was a great show and a fitting one. Despite best efforts of weathermen predictions the sun shone.

Nice article here in the BBC site. I'm coming to terms that Prestwick would be the ideal location for a future central Scotland Airshow.


BBC News - Last RAF Leuchars Airshow takes to skies

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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:09
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Was a fantastic day as always. Weather behaved. Show was good, only down side was no yanks and no Vulcan,
BIG THANKS. To all involved
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:18
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Unfortunately the Vulcan suffered a fuel tank leak - they would have loved to have done the display, but it was not to be...

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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:23
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Excellent.

Well done to those involved today and Crack On in the memory of the Few.

Raise the rafters and to Damn with those who are ignorant!

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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:25
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Yip knew that. Get 558 updates on FB. Shame though tin triangle always a crowd pleaser
Any idea what happened to the RN black cat lynx?
Or did I just miss it? Might have been while in the interactive hanger!
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:27
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Originally Posted by SASless:8036008
Why would a Gear Up landing not have been a better option?

The aircraft could have probably been salvaged.
I'm not sure sasless and the same thought occurred to me at the time. The only rationale behind it, as far as I can see, is the potential danger that such a landing may put a large crowd in.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:32
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yanks and no Vulcan
and no RAF support helicopters either. No Chinook, no RAF Merlin and God only knows what has happened to the Mk2 Puma. Apart from one pilot on a KC10 that had eighteen days before being struck off charge there were no RAF aircrew to discuss any points on any of the aircraft on the static display. The result was queues of an hour or so to look in the two or three that were open.

The Red Arrows, down to eight, had the same show as last year because there's not a lot else they can do. The B of B flight the same though to see the Lancaster fly is to me still a great sight. You had to hand it to the civvy aerobatic teams using aircraft built for the job for their displays and also the various vintage aircraft organisations.

The non stop Tornados of various nationalities were impressive but as a show to present the Royal Air Force as a whole I felt it was disappointing.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 21:34
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Originally Posted by Cubanate:8036063
Just a thought, Outlawpete

Kinloss is easier to get to than Lossie, has a railway station, a nice long runway and, sadly, loads of ramp space and accommodation The weather is probably better than Leuchars or PIK too
A fair point Cubanate, I can but hope! Still cant see the same numbers venturing this far up north as we see at Leuchars.

Glad for all involved that it went well today, gutted I couldn't be there!
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 22:02
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Don't be too hard on yourself Outlaw - I enjoyed it for you

I think the most serious contender for an alternative site must be Prestwick. More accessible for a larger part of the population. If the RAF put on an Air Tattoo there, then the closure of RAF Leuchars could, in a very small way, actually be a blessing in disguise. We will just need to wait and see.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 22:08
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God only knows what has happened to the Mk2 Puma
Laid-up waiting for Eurocopter to work their magic on them? Saw my first one in a good few months in Oxon last week.
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 22:54
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Nice one Tom. Highlight of the day?
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 23:46
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Well, highlight wise, for me it was the Viggen. The Austrians did well though.

Swedish Vampire was nice too.

If I'd believed the weatherman though, I'd have stayed in my bed. If they can't even predict todays wx, what hope is there for any forecast?
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Old 7th Sep 2013, 23:52
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Originally Posted by SASless
Why would a Gear Up landing not have been a better option?

The aircraft could have probably been salvaged.
IIRC, one gear leg wouldn't come down, and then the other wouldn't go up.

A landing would have therefore had to have been on one main leg only, which was deemed too risky - I'm pretty sure there was historic experience that supported that decision. Potential to flip on its back rings a bell.
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Old 8th Sep 2013, 08:17
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Indeed it was, I was in the crowd that very day. A sad end to the day as it was a magnificent aircraft. One of the mains wouldn't lower. He bailed out safely and the aircraft ended up in the sea.
Me too. Recall him doing flicks and bouncing his good leg down the runway in an effort to deploy the other.

I also remember that, shortly after Sea King pair departed to recover the pilot from the Clyde, a BA 747 enroute to the 'states did an emergency landing. All rather exciting for a young lad. The show organisers rather wisely decided to call it a day after that after realising the airshow Gods were angry with them that day.
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Old 8th Sep 2013, 08:52
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Almost didn't go thanks to the weather report. Found out on Friday night this was to be the last, so decided to risk it. Glad I did. Fantastic day out, weather played ball for most of the day and they dodged the rain bullet.

I'm all for the Lossie option if it comes off. Lossie had a couple of shows back in the 70/80's and I seem to recall they were well attended.
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Old 8th Sep 2013, 10:44
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Bugger to get to tho'......................

A9 or Inverness airport....................
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