Bad Morale in the British Army?
HH, not sure of your conclusions as a smaller force should have a declining total outflow. The fact that outflow in terms of pure numbers has remained steady whilst the armed forces have reduced in size is another way of saying that the percentage leaving is increasing.
Anyway, the official and latest position from DASA is:
DASA's take on it seems about right from where I am sitting. What is not reflected in the stats is the profile of the cadre choosing voluntary outflow; this is of serious concern.
http://www.dasa.mod.uk/publications/...hTime=09:30:00
Anyway, the official and latest position from DASA is:
• The outflow of personnel from the UK Regular Forces was 24,110 in the 12 months to 30 June 2013. This is a increase of 590 (2.5 per cent) when compared with the 12 months to 31 March 2013 and an increase of 2,470 (11.4 per cent) when compared with the 12 months to 30 June 2012; this is due to those leaving on redundancy and an increase in voluntary outflow.
http://www.dasa.mod.uk/publications/...hTime=09:30:00
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There is a continual banging of the anti-immigrant drum at present fed by chronic mis-representation of facts, xenophobia and giving a convenient diversionary scapegoat for many ills. Mostly it is pretty disgusting and is unlikely either to solve any problems or bring any long term benefit, while the reverse is perfectly possible. The economic benefits of immigration are consistently downplayed while focussing on how bad the illegal side is. Our political masters are driven by popular opinion, rather than willing to engage and lead it with proper informed debate.
Benefits have had a significant cudgel from the gov't, who stick to the strivers vs scroungers drivel in another surprisingly successful divide and conquer manoeuvre.
Decrying the decisions made on and within the MoD shouldn't mean a need to rush to the bottom to hurl stones at other easy and often undeserving targets IMO.
Benefits have had a significant cudgel from the gov't, who stick to the strivers vs scroungers drivel in another surprisingly successful divide and conquer manoeuvre.
Decrying the decisions made on and within the MoD shouldn't mean a need to rush to the bottom to hurl stones at other easy and often undeserving targets IMO.
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You have a point of course - but it's interesting that the numbers vary (especially for the Army) by so much - somewhere I think I have some longer term numbers.
I can't ever remember the Forces being happy about the numbers leaving and understand why - even if they aren't the brightest and the best you still have to keep training new recruits. Same as any business TBH
there's always a perception that "it's a crisis" - the numbers suggest it isn't but it's part of the ebb & flow of the whole employment economy
You have a point of course - but it's interesting that the numbers vary (especially for the Army) by so much - somewhere I think I have some longer term numbers.
I can't ever remember the Forces being happy about the numbers leaving and understand why - even if they aren't the brightest and the best you still have to keep training new recruits. Same as any business TBH
there's always a perception that "it's a crisis" - the numbers suggest it isn't but it's part of the ebb & flow of the whole employment economy
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Just scanned the link in JTOs post at #21. The MOD appears to have developed something called the "Naval Service".
What happened to the Royal Navy? Did someone decide that it would be good for morale to rename it?
If so, why not the Air Service and the Land Service!!
Now, I'm going to go and sit quietly in my darkened room, with a large Black Grouse ( the drink not the bird ) and try to think calming thoughts.
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What happened to the Royal Navy? Did someone decide that it would be good for morale to rename it?
If so, why not the Air Service and the Land Service!!
Now, I'm going to go and sit quietly in my darkened room, with a large Black Grouse ( the drink not the bird ) and try to think calming thoughts.
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The Naval Service probably means the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines, combined. To write about the Royal Navy, the Army and the Royal Air Force would therefore leave out the bootnecks 
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Thanks AA. I'm sure you're right, but I've still got a monk on! Just because they're statisticians they think they can hide the Royal Marines.
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P.S. I was a RAF engineer so I have no anchor to swing (as it were). I'm just miffed that statisticians seem to be allowed to constrain our understanding of the world.
In my day they were called "Clk Stats" and bloody good they were too, but they weren't in charge.
I think I'll have another grouse ( the drink, not the complaint )
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P.S. I was a RAF engineer so I have no anchor to swing (as it were). I'm just miffed that statisticians seem to be allowed to constrain our understanding of the world.
In my day they were called "Clk Stats" and bloody good they were too, but they weren't in charge.
I think I'll have another grouse ( the drink, not the complaint )
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I was surprised by the use of the term Naval Service.
From wiki.
The Naval Service is the naval warfare and maritime organisational structure of the British Armed Forces. It consists of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Queen Alexandra's Royal Naval Nursing Service, Maritime Reserves, and the Naval Careers Service.[1]
The term Naval Service should be distinguished from the "UK Naval Services", which consist of the Naval Service and the Merchant Navy. The Naval Service as a whole falls under the command of the Navy Board, which is headed by the First Sea Lord. This position is currently held by Admiral Sir George Zambellas (appointed April 2013).[2] The Defence Council delegates administration of the Naval Service to the Admiralty Board, chaired by the Secretary of State for Defence.
I check the source for 1. "Queen's Regulations for the Royal Navy"
From wiki.
The Naval Service is the naval warfare and maritime organisational structure of the British Armed Forces. It consists of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Queen Alexandra's Royal Naval Nursing Service, Maritime Reserves, and the Naval Careers Service.[1]
The term Naval Service should be distinguished from the "UK Naval Services", which consist of the Naval Service and the Merchant Navy. The Naval Service as a whole falls under the command of the Navy Board, which is headed by the First Sea Lord. This position is currently held by Admiral Sir George Zambellas (appointed April 2013).[2] The Defence Council delegates administration of the Naval Service to the Admiralty Board, chaired by the Secretary of State for Defence.
I check the source for 1. "Queen's Regulations for the Royal Navy"
'Naval Service' is not a new term and includes, as pointed out, the those in sworn Service to the Navy, but I also thought it includes the Royal Fleet Auxilliary - quite a fleet in its own right. The The RN Maritime Auxilliary Service (who used to operate the 'black and buff' tugs and similar) were contractorised about 15 years ago. Their last base was HM Yard Pembroke Dock.
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The RFA is a civilian organisation owned by the MoD
The vessels are crewed and commanded by civilians with detachments of Rn or RAF personnel attached for specific purposes (ehg helicopter operation & maintenance)
For management purposes it is fully integrated into the RN
The vessels are crewed and commanded by civilians with detachments of Rn or RAF personnel attached for specific purposes (ehg helicopter operation & maintenance)
For management purposes it is fully integrated into the RN
