Our Boys Behaving Badly
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Our Boys Behaving Badly
The story of six British Army rugby players beating a New York cop to a pulp in a bar room brawl incited by a racial slur may come across as nothing more than a display of clashing alcohol-fuelled egos but, at the same time, it is important that we encourage servicemen and women to at least try and maintain some sort of dignity, even in their drunkenness!
Yes, bravado and willy-waving can take place (if they must) but the modern soldier should remember (as those before have done) that in such circumstances a degree of restraint is in fact the greater show of strength and decidedly more British.
The armed forces might be one of the last places where some sort of decency and decorum for all "classes" of Brits are taught. Let's keep it that way and lets hold on to our enviable heritage of self-control and basic good manners.
In a related theme and without getting into a religious debate I would add the following: Military Chaplains should have a more rigorous selection process so as to ensure that the Forces not only have "real men" serving as Chaplains in their ranks but those who can contribute towards the cultivation of decent morals, behaviour and good manners. There is so much more that Chaplains could do in the military if they were properly organised and much of it doesn't have to be religious per se but would dovetail with their overall aims of serving others. Notwithstanding the latter, there are of course one or two good Padres in the Forces, but there could be more and again, its something we should hold on to against the tide of politically correct anti-Christian, anti-patriotic and anti-British sentiment which threatens to sweep across our land.
Yes, bravado and willy-waving can take place (if they must) but the modern soldier should remember (as those before have done) that in such circumstances a degree of restraint is in fact the greater show of strength and decidedly more British.
The armed forces might be one of the last places where some sort of decency and decorum for all "classes" of Brits are taught. Let's keep it that way and lets hold on to our enviable heritage of self-control and basic good manners.
In a related theme and without getting into a religious debate I would add the following: Military Chaplains should have a more rigorous selection process so as to ensure that the Forces not only have "real men" serving as Chaplains in their ranks but those who can contribute towards the cultivation of decent morals, behaviour and good manners. There is so much more that Chaplains could do in the military if they were properly organised and much of it doesn't have to be religious per se but would dovetail with their overall aims of serving others. Notwithstanding the latter, there are of course one or two good Padres in the Forces, but there could be more and again, its something we should hold on to against the tide of politically correct anti-Christian, anti-patriotic and anti-British sentiment which threatens to sweep across our land.
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Gosh, for a moment there I thought you were going to post on the Al-Sweady Inquiry, UK soldier evidence commencing today.
But it's about British Army rugby players. Phew!
But it's about British Army rugby players. Phew!
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Called one of them a black b@stard.
Then pulled a knife and cut one of them.
Only got slapped a bit with no bones broken.
Sounds like they were quite restrained.
Rugby tour, infantry regiment and Fijian, remarkable restraint to be honest. Your lucky it wasn't a Ghurkha and he had spat in there general direction.
You can't expect them to turn the aggression off and on with a flick of a switch and still do there jobs.
The taking the mobile phone though was bang out of order.
Then pulled a knife and cut one of them.
Only got slapped a bit with no bones broken.
Sounds like they were quite restrained.
Rugby tour, infantry regiment and Fijian, remarkable restraint to be honest. Your lucky it wasn't a Ghurkha and he had spat in there general direction.
You can't expect them to turn the aggression off and on with a flick of a switch and still do there jobs.
The taking the mobile phone though was bang out of order.
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All those who are found to fall short of the Army’s high standards will face disciplinary action, up to and including discharge.
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You lived there, how long will they get in jail or
will they be handed over to the UK Mil and flown
out straight away ?
You lived there, how long will they get in jail or
will they be handed over to the UK Mil and flown
out straight away ?
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And especially when representing not only your Regiment but your country overseas.
Rugby tour, infantry regiment and Fijian, remarkable restraint to be honest. Your lucky it wasn't a Ghurkha and he had spat in there general direction. You can't expect them to turn the aggression off and on with a flick of a switch and still do there jobs.
Re: detaining our boys. There should be an inter-forces agreement to have them returned (between NATO nations) and we handle all matters at home.
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"Re: detaining our boys. There should be an inter-forces agreement to have them
returned (between NATO nations) and we handle all matters at home."
Which is what happens with most US forces in trouble OS isn't it.
I know of a couple of instances here in Aus where they were handed over
and handled by the "ship".
I also know of one who, I think, came back and had to face court.
returned (between NATO nations) and we handle all matters at home."
Which is what happens with most US forces in trouble OS isn't it.
I know of a couple of instances here in Aus where they were handed over
and handled by the "ship".
I also know of one who, I think, came back and had to face court.
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your presuming it happen the way the off duty guy reported it.
Blood half the way up the street and only then did the guy pull a knife and cut one of them. If 4 Fijian Scottish regiment rugby players decide to kick your head in your going nowhere after the first punch has been thrown.
More like the insult was given the lads turned towards him. He announces he is a cop and pulls a knife. That doesn't stop them. They advance and he cuts one of them and then realises that they are really not bothered by a blade. He legs it and the blood up the street is the solders blood that got slashed chasing. They catch him and beat him up.
But we will have to see what there side is.
The mobile phone theft is the big issue and indefensible.
Anyway we shall see what colour the judge is and if there is CCTV
I expect the cop is going to have an interesting time at work when he goes back.
Blood half the way up the street and only then did the guy pull a knife and cut one of them. If 4 Fijian Scottish regiment rugby players decide to kick your head in your going nowhere after the first punch has been thrown.
More like the insult was given the lads turned towards him. He announces he is a cop and pulls a knife. That doesn't stop them. They advance and he cuts one of them and then realises that they are really not bothered by a blade. He legs it and the blood up the street is the solders blood that got slashed chasing. They catch him and beat him up.
But we will have to see what there side is.
The mobile phone theft is the big issue and indefensible.
Anyway we shall see what colour the judge is and if there is CCTV
I expect the cop is going to have an interesting time at work when he goes back.
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More like the insult was given the lads turned towards him. He announces he is a cop and pulls a knife. That doesn't stop them. They advance and he cuts one of them and then realises that they are really not bothered by a blade. He legs it and the blood up the street is the solders blood that got slashed chasing. They catch him and beat him up.
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From his nom-de-PPRuNe, I guess mad_jock has rather more experience of such matters than you or I, Courtney....
Theft is one thing, violent assualt occasioning actual bodily harm is, in my view, far more serious.
'Only got slapped a bit', indeed..............
Theft is one thing, violent assualt occasioning actual bodily harm is, in my view, far more serious.
'Only got slapped a bit', indeed..............
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Nope
But you guys have "walk the guilty b@stards in" POV.
And yes I have seen similar situations develop with squaddies and end up with conflicting reports on how it proceeded. In both cases the "victim" ended up being the one that was handed down a sentence for carrying and using an offensive weapon. The fact is when 4 guys who are not strangers to fighting decide to beat up 1 person you don't get a running battle.
So the whole timeline description to me stinks. And instead of presuming they are guilty as reported in the newspaper and we all know how good they are for reporting the facts. we should maybe wait and see what's discovered in court.
As I said the stealing the mobile phone is bang out of order and there are no excuses for it.
But the actual incident has only been reported from one side by a racist cop who bit of more than he bargained for. Who now will have to go back to work with his black/coloured/Hispanic colleagues after allegedly calling some one a "black b@stard" I suspect this won't be his only beating for that comment.
But you guys have "walk the guilty b@stards in" POV.
And yes I have seen similar situations develop with squaddies and end up with conflicting reports on how it proceeded. In both cases the "victim" ended up being the one that was handed down a sentence for carrying and using an offensive weapon. The fact is when 4 guys who are not strangers to fighting decide to beat up 1 person you don't get a running battle.
So the whole timeline description to me stinks. And instead of presuming they are guilty as reported in the newspaper and we all know how good they are for reporting the facts. we should maybe wait and see what's discovered in court.
As I said the stealing the mobile phone is bang out of order and there are no excuses for it.
But the actual incident has only been reported from one side by a racist cop who bit of more than he bargained for. Who now will have to go back to work with his black/coloured/Hispanic colleagues after allegedly calling some one a "black b@stard" I suspect this won't be his only beating for that comment.
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beating a New York cop to a pulp
Called one of them a black b@stard.
Then pulled a knife (the trainee policeman) and cut one of them.
Only got slapped a bit with no bones broken.
Sounds like they were quite restrained.
Then pulled a knife (the trainee policeman) and cut one of them.
Only got slapped a bit with no bones broken.
Sounds like they were quite restrained.
As for service chaplains I think you might get a surprise, the last two I had anything to do with were very much soldier's chaplains, one had done about six years in the SAS then left the Army, came back as a chaplain and specialised in airborne forces, the other, on appointment to the Parachute Brigade, went through 'P' Company and then jumped at every opportunity thereafter. There are/were plenty more like them in the forces.
Er... Isn't it the job of the inquiry to discover whether that's the case? There are allegations that criminal activity occurred, but equally robust denials from those involved.
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Still, it can do no harm at all to reinforce those standards and practices which have served our military for so long and which is my basic point.
Or how many civis in Aldershot.
Or how many Fishermen in Arbroath. Although to be fair both parties are just as guilty with that one and its certainly not always the fishermen that come off worst.
My worse personal slapping was in Monchengladbach due being miss ID'd as the sweat that had been shagging one of full screws wife's the previous weekend while they were out on exercise. About the only time I was glad to be out drinking with the recce mech's who did break bones. It was usually me stopping them hitting people.
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The court was told that when he identified himself as a policeman and ordered them to back off during the confrontation last Friday, they responded: ‘We don’t care. F*** the police.’
Therein lies one distinction between the cousins and ourselves these days - there is a presumption on respect for authority over there that you just wouldn't get in the UK.