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Sort of proves what I was saying in this thread though.
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...semper-fi.html
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...semper-fi.html
there is a presumption on respect for authority over there
I don't think so!
Edited to note that subsequent comment suggests that a NYC resident wouldn't normally say 'bastard'. Ah well, we'll wait and see what happens.
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A Fijians wife would probably say "what's the problem, I get worse than that for changing the TV channel during half time when the rugby's on".
And it turns out said cop got a broken nose, swollen jaw and a few stiches.
Not enough to even get light duty's in my experience.
Its the mobile phone theft which is going to be the issue and there really is no excuse for that.
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And it turns out said cop got a broken nose, swollen jaw and a few stiches.
Not enough to even get light duty's in my experience.
Its the mobile phone theft which is going to be the issue and there really is no excuse for that.
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Its the mobile phone theft which is going to be the issue and there really is no excuse for that.
Explanation of course, not excuse!
Let's see....Four...Five....Six to One....very brave Lads that it took that many of them to whip One Cop.
No mention of knives or blood trails folks....which nation's news outlets are lying?
All of them beating hell out of One guy....that shows Grit?
Sorry folks....this sounds like six guys out being drunk and aggressive and caused an Affray which under US Law is a criminal offense.
Except for the SOFA between the UK/USA, the six would be spending quite a bit of time as guests of the State of New York Prison System.
Six big brutes beating up on One person just is not the done thing and you all know it.
Stealing the Phone was a bad move as well.
This just proves.....you show your Ass in Public....and you get it put into your hands afterwards.
This is not a Yank/Brit/Fijian/Army/Cop thing......this is a Criminal Assault case.
Ask who threw the first punch....and there is your Perp.
Now the US News version of the event.....not quite as dramatic as the UK versions. Perhaps our Media is more friendly towards the Military....of any country than are the UK Papers.
UK soldiers suspected of beating NYC cop outside bar - U.S. News
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No mention of knives or blood trails folks....which nation's news outlets are lying?
All of them beating hell out of One guy....that shows Grit?
Sorry folks....this sounds like six guys out being drunk and aggressive and caused an Affray which under US Law is a criminal offense.
Except for the SOFA between the UK/USA, the six would be spending quite a bit of time as guests of the State of New York Prison System.
Six big brutes beating up on One person just is not the done thing and you all know it.
Stealing the Phone was a bad move as well.
This just proves.....you show your Ass in Public....and you get it put into your hands afterwards.
This is not a Yank/Brit/Fijian/Army/Cop thing......this is a Criminal Assault case.
Ask who threw the first punch....and there is your Perp.
Now the US News version of the event.....not quite as dramatic as the UK versions. Perhaps our Media is more friendly towards the Military....of any country than are the UK Papers.
UK soldiers suspected of beating NYC cop outside bar - U.S. News
No Cookies | Herald Sun
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Sorry folks....this sounds like six guys out being drunk and aggressive and caused an Affray which under US Law is a criminal offense.
In common with about 80% of criminal cases only those that were there really know the truth but fwiw I can't see much mitigation in having been racially abused when six blokes have set about one in what appears to heve been a sustained attack. You can't defend yourself against ignorance with your fists.
The knife issue. Strange. Who carrys a knife when they could have a gun? Was it a case of instant arming? The knife picked up from a table in the bar?
What it probably also has in common with many, too many of the cases I deal with is A*sehole + alcohol = violent a*sehole.
Hell Man.....sadly things have changed since I wore a Badge....perhaps for the good over all but definitely changed.
Alcohol, Testosterone, Females, 4AM, competition for the fair Damsel...real or imagined....strong personalities.....now what could go wrong in that scenario?
Alcohol, Testosterone, Females, 4AM, competition for the fair Damsel...real or imagined....strong personalities.....now what could go wrong in that scenario?
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I doud't very much it was 6 on 1 or it would be significantly more than a broken nose and sore jaw and a few stiches.
Anyway we shall see what they say when it all goes to court.
I see it as everyone was drunk and there was a fight over a girl. I wonder how many times that happened in the US on the same night and the UK for that matter.
Its probably just as well he didn't have a gun he would more than likely be dead just now unless he could take out all of them which would be doudtful if he was pissed enough to take on 6 Fijians. More likely they would all still be walking around and there would be a couple of bystanders shot. They weren't to bothered by getting sliced by a knife. But thankfully he didn't, so only a broken nose and sore face with some stiches to deal with.
If you watch a film "they used to be warriors" it will show you what the guy was dealing with.
That about sums it up. One does wonder about the IQ of said cop. Personally I think he should be up for a Darwin Award.
Anyway we shall see what they say when it all goes to court.
I see it as everyone was drunk and there was a fight over a girl. I wonder how many times that happened in the US on the same night and the UK for that matter.
Its probably just as well he didn't have a gun he would more than likely be dead just now unless he could take out all of them which would be doudtful if he was pissed enough to take on 6 Fijians. More likely they would all still be walking around and there would be a couple of bystanders shot. They weren't to bothered by getting sliced by a knife. But thankfully he didn't, so only a broken nose and sore face with some stiches to deal with.
If you watch a film "they used to be warriors" it will show you what the guy was dealing with.
Six big brutes,the six thugs
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MJ.....you sure about the knife? You sure about this Blood Trail? You believe anything written in the UK Papers? You don't know the facts just as I do not. Does anyone posting here know what really happened?
All this macho talk of thumping folks, six guys being able to take a gun away from a trained Police Officer (do remember ALL of our Cops carry guns on duty and know how to use them). Last time I checked most Cops carry Automatics that hold anywhere from 13-17 Rounds of Ammo and every by Jockanesie Math.....that leaves plenty of live rounds after he would run out of Fiji's.
But the gun thing is irrelevant to the conversation here as no gun was involved.
Are you quite comfy making all these statements about the incident that you do?
All this macho talk of thumping folks, six guys being able to take a gun away from a trained Police Officer (do remember ALL of our Cops carry guns on duty and know how to use them). Last time I checked most Cops carry Automatics that hold anywhere from 13-17 Rounds of Ammo and every by Jockanesie Math.....that leaves plenty of live rounds after he would run out of Fiji's.
But the gun thing is irrelevant to the conversation here as no gun was involved.
Are you quite comfy making all these statements about the incident that you do?
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I am the one that's been saying that British squaddies can be aggressive arseholes when out on the piss.
And you picking and choosing what bits you like to believe. And it was the US papers I got that from. Which I am sure are as factual as our own
. The cop has had his say in them but they haven't as yet. Which is why we should wait until the court case before saying that 6 guys beat up one cop. There will be fault both sides.
We all know that alcohol and weapons don't mix. And if the guy was drunk enough to pick a fight with.
It would be doubtful if he would get enough space to be able to use it effectively in a bar brawl.
And yes I am comfy making statements about aggressive arseholes out on the piss.
I have seen dogs being put into the NAAFI to stop fights and then everyone including those not present turn out for a mud run/PT beasting the next morning at 5 am for 2 hours as punishment. Thankfully I wasn't inside when they went in, but I did do the early morning light exercise the next day.
And you can be assured once everything is sorted out and they wing there way home there Regimental Sergeant Major will have a punishment that will be far more effective than anything dealt out by the judge, which as far as I can tell will be a year in prison and a $1000 fine max. Which it will be more than likely the boys in the regiment will chip in for as it was beating up a yank cop that had pulled a knife on them.
They might have only been back a month from Afghanistan, they went out in October/November last year for 6 months. As such your not dealing with your normal blokes in a bar fight.
And you picking and choosing what bits you like to believe. And it was the US papers I got that from. Which I am sure are as factual as our own
. The cop has had his say in them but they haven't as yet. Which is why we should wait until the court case before saying that 6 guys beat up one cop. There will be fault both sides. We all know that alcohol and weapons don't mix. And if the guy was drunk enough to pick a fight with.
It would be doubtful if he would get enough space to be able to use it effectively in a bar brawl.
And yes I am comfy making statements about aggressive arseholes out on the piss.
I have seen dogs being put into the NAAFI to stop fights and then everyone including those not present turn out for a mud run/PT beasting the next morning at 5 am for 2 hours as punishment. Thankfully I wasn't inside when they went in, but I did do the early morning light exercise the next day.
And you can be assured once everything is sorted out and they wing there way home there Regimental Sergeant Major will have a punishment that will be far more effective than anything dealt out by the judge, which as far as I can tell will be a year in prison and a $1000 fine max. Which it will be more than likely the boys in the regiment will chip in for as it was beating up a yank cop that had pulled a knife on them.
They might have only been back a month from Afghanistan, they went out in October/November last year for 6 months. As such your not dealing with your normal blokes in a bar fight.
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"which as far as I can tell will be a year in prison and a $1000 fine max."
Do you think they will stay in jail in the US or shipped back to the UK ?
Do you think they will stay in jail in the US or shipped back to the UK ?
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Don't have a clue, all the people I know that got up to such antics and got caught where given over by the local plod to our loving Artificer Sgt Major via the OC. But it was never in the US.
The naval types more than likely will have more clue what goes on in the US I can't imagine that the Royals haven't been involved in something similar on shore leave. But it never made the news papers.
The naval types more than likely will have more clue what goes on in the US I can't imagine that the Royals haven't been involved in something similar on shore leave. But it never made the news papers.
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With Navy types, it's easy to get them "out of sight, out of mind"
by putting them in the brig on the ship, which of course sails
a day or two later !
On behavior OS, for those that don't know we now have 500+ US Marines
here in Darwin, Northern Aus, which will expand rapidly in the next few years.
It is interesting to note that from the outset, the command has said that
behavior outside of base was vital to it being successful to the extent that it was
hinted that those chosen to come were "selected".
by putting them in the brig on the ship, which of course sails
a day or two later !
On behavior OS, for those that don't know we now have 500+ US Marines
here in Darwin, Northern Aus, which will expand rapidly in the next few years.
It is interesting to note that from the outset, the command has said that
behavior outside of base was vital to it being successful to the extent that it was
hinted that those chosen to come were "selected".
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New York's Finest Police Cover-Up - - News - New York - Village Voice
It doesn't seem to be a one off rookie cops getting into fights thinking they will get away with it and also doing it.
I suspect if said soldiers walked back into the bar they would be drinking all night for free curtsy of the bar staff and locals.
It doesn't seem to be a one off rookie cops getting into fights thinking they will get away with it and also doing it.
I suspect if said soldiers walked back into the bar they would be drinking all night for free curtsy of the bar staff and locals.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
No mention of knives or blood trails folks....which nation's news outlets are lying?
Perhaps our Media is more friendly towards the Military....of any country than are the UK Papers.
........“At this point the victim pulled out a folding pocket knife” to ward off his attackers, she said. Two of the players — who were in the midst of an East Coast exhibition tour — sported bandages from their knife wounds as they stood before a judge last night..............
The Village Voice would indict a Cop that was shot by a Sniper from 500 yards while the Cop was eating Donuts and drinking Coffee.