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Old 29th Aug 2013, 06:29
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Bugger ! I knew I was behind the times - I might get onto one of these
"i" thingy's at some stage in the future

Aaahhhh, reading the weather !

I've got a leg that tells me when it is going to rain or
the pressure is dropping - courtesy of breaking it
many years ago.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 07:05
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TJ-500N, degrees, I see what the modern problem is. You 'research' your assignment and then piece together a series of pros and cons before drawing and ideally neutral conclusion '. . . if on the other hand . . .'

On one first year tutorial a student had the temerity to say "I think . . . " and was immediately slapped down by the tutor "No one wants to know what YOU think."

Only at higher levels are you expected to think and even then modern history thesis seem to be based on material unearthed from the archives and given the light of day. They are 'research' papers only so far as that person has 'searched' the archives. Or so it seems to me
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Interesting.

I nearly did a PhD years after my degree on the basis I read a few
and thought this wouldn't be too hard in the modern day and age
of computers. Then thought it wouldn't get me anywhere.
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We get the usual inaccuracies in the Aussie media - anything armoured even is it has wheels is a 'tank' the navy has 'battleships' and any missile used to be an 'exocet' after that little bruhaha you guys had in '82.

The reporting that really rankles with me being ex infantry is the way the media cannot seem to correctly name our regular infantry battalions. All the battalions are part of The Royal Australian Regiment, thus the 1st Battalion The Royal Australian Regiment is usually referred to as 1RAR, the second 2RAR etc. Not too difficult to understand. Acceptable forms:

The First Battalion, or 1 RAR, or (the full enchillada), The First Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment.

Instead the media continue to butcher unit names.... As simple phone call to Defence PR, the unit, or pretty much ANY unit would sort this out in a sec, but apparently journalism doesn't include accuracy as one of its cherished standards anymore.

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 08:03
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Originally Posted by Coff
Kelp, for example, shrivels and feels dry in fine weather, but swells and becomes damp if rain is in the air.
It does more than that. It can tell you the state of the tide too! If it's lying around on rocks getting dry, the tide's out. If it's underwater and all floaty, the tide's in.
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but what does it mean if your Googie Withers?

[apologies to Morecombe and Wise]
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Much the same as if your Martin Withers, I expect.
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But what does it mean if your Googie Withers?
What, within these walls?

(Ronnie Barker, Porridge)
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Had to laugh at this.

Two Syria threads exist, one in the Military Forum, one in jet Blast.

These two posts were posted at about the same time.

"BBC reporting 6 tornados being sent as a precauitionary measure."

"Sky reporting the MOD as stating that they are deploying 6 Typhoons from CY to Akrotiri in the AD role in a "defensive posture"."
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
They are 'research' papers only so far as that person has 'searched' the archives. Or so it seems to me
Yes in that respect I would tend to agree. But my main complaint is that, because the information is not hard won, they take no ownership of it, they often do not even have a superficial understanding. I don't know, say we are looking at Simple Harmonic Motion in class. We go through the theory, examples, problems etc. Now the web has a wealth of information out there, including some excellent interactive apps to help develop understanding. But they wont use it effectively. If we are lucky they do a cursory search, settle for the first thing they find rather than use the many different presentations to compare, contrast, challenge and then deepen their understanding.

I can't help but feel there is a prevailing attitude at work -"it's there on the web I don't need to understand it just know where it is". Now yes, the web should mean the end of having to recall facts/figures just for the sake of it - but it should not replace the need to master those facts. I'd like to think that the engineers who designed my aircraft had a thorough understanding of finite element analysis and didn't simply use a look up table from the web! I think it's this same attitude we are seeing in the press. Equally, we may well just be grumpy old men
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Originally Posted by 500N
Had to laugh at this.

Two Syria threads exist, one in the Military Forum, one in jet Blast.

These two posts were posted at about the same time.

"BBC reporting 6 tornados being sent as a precauitionary measure."

"Sky reporting the MOD as stating that they are deploying 6 Typhoons from CY to Akrotiri in the AD role in a "defensive posture"."
That is so funny and sad. But mainly funny
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Quote: "it's there on the web I don't need to understand it just know where it is".

Quite so. A granddaughter has just got an A in Physics GCE, and she recently spent a long weekend here to include a visit to a Met.Office, with a view to employment after a degree.

"Tell me about it grandpa"

Poor big thing had learned NOTHING about Laws of Motion, Cooling, the significance of temperature, heat transfer, latent heat, density ................

So what does an A in GCE Physics imply?

I might add she is far from thick, slack handful of good GCSEs and now hoovering up AS.s including Maths.
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Mental Arithmetic is a good example.

With the advent of calculators, mobile phones which have a calculator,
computers etc, IMHO the ability of people to do mental arithmetic "on the fly"
such as standing in front of a cash register has diminished.


Another one is Navigation. I was lucky and was taught how to Nav with
a Map, Compass and protractor, on land and sea. I see plenty of people in
a hobby I do who are totally lost if the GPS goes bang or runs out of batteries.
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I see plenty of people in
a hobby I do who are totally lost if the GPS
goes bang or runs out of batteries.
Its called a two man flight deck!
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 18:16
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Originally Posted by TomJoad

they take no ownership of it, they often do not even have a superficial understanding. . . .If we are lucky they do a cursory search, settle for the first thing they find rather than use the many different presentations to compare, contrast, challenge and then deepen their understanding.
Quite.

One OU module I did required us to use a simple website creation tool. Two of 3 of us, cooperating over a forum, explored the tool and exploited it to its maximum. The works we created were far removed from what the OU tutors had expected of their tool - no html was allowed - and had to conceded we had followed the letter of the guidance but not the spirit.

The following year they proscribed the limits more closely to keep the playing field more level.

A degree today is scarcely more exacting than an A-level.
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500N ... The correct Hot Poop from the MOD ... that's assuming they know the difference between a Tonka and a Tiffy

MOD Press Release
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The UK gov't makes it very easy for everyone.

1. Page with info re the deployment.
2. Link to the RAF Web site of the RAF Typhoon with a LINK at the bottom
of the page Aircraft recognition - Typhoon.
3. The on the bottom of that page, another link to Typhoon gallery with a heap of photos.


Beats a crummy old press release faxed on an old thermal fax machine.




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