Buccaneer Performance
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Cracking vid. They're the blokes that used to part my hair on the Pan at Machrihanish, I'm sure. What a great aircraft, what brilliant flying. Respect.
Smudge
Cracking vid. They're the blokes that used to part my hair on the Pan at Machrihanish, I'm sure. What a great aircraft, what brilliant flying. Respect.
Smudge
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Terrific feedback guys, for some reason I'm unable to PM but special thanks to Ponsy Nav for his considerable trouble, most informative
Bit busy right now, fuller reply on standby. Keep it coming.
BTW, loadsa aviation on the box tonight if you channel hop across Freeview.
Cooch
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BTW, loadsa aviation on the box tonight if you channel hop across Freeview.
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Further to #34 herewith the photo of the Silver Sceptre Flypast with thanks to Coff for the Dual! Shame the F4 is out of position!!
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Actually that clip is a combination of two different films. The last bit is taken from "Buccaneer, The Last British Bomber" but up until 3'26" ish with the Bucc in the vertical it's taken from "Farewell Bucc" which was mostly shot in Gib, including the gorgeous slow-mos, low-levels and the ship attack (HMS Kent IIRC) but also has some of the final flights at Lossie with 208 even closer to the ground than normal.
I seem to remember that questions were later asked from on high about who exactly had been piloting said machines in the film but most unfortunately the cameraman had neglected to keep a log of exactly which bits of footage he had shot on which particular dates
Well worth seeking out if you can still find a copy anywhere
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In those days we could put up 20 aircraft.
What now?
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What now?
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Great photo of the Birthday Flypast.......brings back lots of memories of being a child/teenager growing up in West London in the late 60's to early 70's and standing in the back garden on Trooping day to wait for the RAF flypast formation such as that to fly low overhead.
Sadly I have no photos of any except one fuzzy 110 print of the flypast from around '79 or '80 which had a similar multi Vulcan/others formation makeup.
Sadly I have no photos of any except one fuzzy 110 print of the flypast from around '79 or '80 which had a similar multi Vulcan/others formation makeup.
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"Sprials" and "To the unknown man". Always will be linked to the Banana Jet.
The director and the composer of the music for this PR film, had a little collaboration a couple of years later..A film that won four oscars and was called "Chariots of Fire"
The director and the composer of the music for this PR film, had a little collaboration a couple of years later..A film that won four oscars and was called "Chariots of Fire"
Bucc AAR
Somewhere... (I must clear out my garage!) I have an original photo of a TriStar and Buccaneer conducting AAR trials. Nothing too unusual in that, you may think.
However, the TriStar is the receiver in this case.
I think this was a Boscombe Down trial, either testing the TriStar receiving capability or the Buccaneer buddy pack which I believe was stowed in the bomb bay.
Will try to find and post the pic.
However, the TriStar is the receiver in this case.
I think this was a Boscombe Down trial, either testing the TriStar receiving capability or the Buccaneer buddy pack which I believe was stowed in the bomb bay.
Will try to find and post the pic.
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It's not 'spirals', it's 'Spiral'.
I still have the album from when my late Father was an Ops Officer on that Ex OPEN GATE.
I still have the album from when my late Father was an Ops Officer on that Ex OPEN GATE.
Bow wave off the DC-10 must have been fun for the Bucc!
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"Majestic" Formation
Good to see the photo of the Queen's Birthday formation. On one practice, we hit unexpected bad weather over Suffolk. As we entered cloud the leader (Vulcan) ordered "Majestic Formation BREAK!" Lightnings, Phantoms and Vulcans went up - we in the Buccs went down! (I was flying the previously posted vertical Bucc - good photo shoot!)
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Over the shoulder performance?
Interesting. So if the Bucc was difficult to loop what happened when the pull up to toss a weapon and depart the target area scenario took place?
I always thought that the toss bombing manoeuvre involved pulling up on the command from the strike sight until weapon release when the pull continued (as in a loop) until pointing in the homeward direction roll out immelman like and return to low level ASAP heading back home for tea and medals (or at least decontam and jammy doughnuts).
So if the upside down bit at the top of a loop was scary, how popular was toss bombing among Bucc crews?
I always thought that the toss bombing manoeuvre involved pulling up on the command from the strike sight until weapon release when the pull continued (as in a loop) until pointing in the homeward direction roll out immelman like and return to low level ASAP heading back home for tea and medals (or at least decontam and jammy doughnuts).
So if the upside down bit at the top of a loop was scary, how popular was toss bombing among Bucc crews?
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I would say it wasn't the upside down bit but the pull through in a loop that would have been half crown sixpence time in a Bucc. Roll off the top I imagine would have been fairly sedate.
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Toss Recovery Manoeuvre
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From memory (not always exactly accurate these days) the "4G pull" did not continue after weapon release but was relaxed and a rather rapid roll to 120+ degrees was initiated. The 4G pull was then re-established until the nose reached the horizon. Bank angle was then reduced to 90 degrees until 10+ degrees nose down when it was further reduced to 70 degrees. This was then maintained until the roll out heading (release heading +/-150?) was achieve when the bank was rolled off and the descent to an appropriate height continued.
This was a much more efficient method of getting back to an operational height than continuing "over the top" would have been.
From memory (not always exactly accurate these days) the "4G pull" did not continue after weapon release but was relaxed and a rather rapid roll to 120+ degrees was initiated. The 4G pull was then re-established until the nose reached the horizon. Bank angle was then reduced to 90 degrees until 10+ degrees nose down when it was further reduced to 70 degrees. This was then maintained until the roll out heading (release heading +/-150?) was achieve when the bank was rolled off and the descent to an appropriate height continued.
This was a much more efficient method of getting back to an operational height than continuing "over the top" would have been.
It was a fairly straightforward manoeuvre and was included as part of the Instrument Rating Test, flown entirely on instruments.
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Thanks eaw. Makes sense. In the context of the original question of the post I guess the loss of energy continuing through the vertical into a roll off the top would have ended up with the aircraft in a more vulnerable position (height, speed, control authority and distance from detonation) than following the procedure you describe.
I was beginning to wonder whether my experience in the backseat in deci inverted at not very much height at all over the tops of ridges and rolling out into valleys on the other side had been more risky than it seemed at the time! Guess not, just a matter of maintaining momentum I suppose.
I was beginning to wonder whether my experience in the backseat in deci inverted at not very much height at all over the tops of ridges and rolling out into valleys on the other side had been more risky than it seemed at the time! Guess not, just a matter of maintaining momentum I suppose.