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Woman RAF officer joins top military brass

Old 23rd Aug 2013, 21:53
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What's with all this gong fetish, go join McDonalds you can get 4 stars there.



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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 22:10
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...and that is exacly my point. Today it matters...tomorrow it won't.

A talented and focussed lady, without doubt.

Well done. Tomorrow it won't be newsworthy.

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 22:19
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'There is an increasingly corrosive attitude around these days, which can be described as "You ain't done sand = you ain't done $hit"; such a blinkered attitude needs to be restrained. I first came across the very same attitude some 31 years ago, when I encountered some poisonous little thruster of a Sqn Ldr who was desperate for a posting to the South Atlantic - for no other reason than "If you haven't been to the Falklands, you're no-one in London".'

...but Mr BEagle let us be serious.

Life in defence has changed an awful lot in the last 10 years and you need to be in touch with it.

Bottom Line - Ranks above SO1 have no idea about what is needed at the delivery level. Bust. Sand is not everything but it is better than NI alone.

Understanding what has happened on ops in the last 10 years is important ...BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE READY FOR THE NEXT BIG SHOUT.

(SHOUT mode off)

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 22:23
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'Gijoe

Now you've done it, you've sewn a seed for AFPS24...

LJ'

For 500 a day + expenses I will write the policy!

Gotta be cheaper than G4S or Serco???

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 22:30
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Many of the chaps over on ARRSE are less than impressed by Mrs West's promotion.

And they probably don't feel too happy about the former AC/LAC/SAC now running the show in the South Atlantic.

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 22:32
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You couldn't do much worse - the NEM and AFPS15 seems to be working towards a Grade 'A*' screw up!

By the way, I would venture that things have changed much in ~20 years since I did my first campaign; I didn't learn much more on the subsequent visits back and forth! However, prior to that, things have changed a lot (IMHO).

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 22:56
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Many of the chaps over on ARRSE are less than impressed by Mrs West's promotion.
Arrse is largely full of whining clique civies these days so not a lot to worry about.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:20
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Originally Posted by Leon Jabachjabicz
...However, how much longer do we have to put up with "first female to" headlines?...
When the "first" whatever is no longer apposite? Same applies to "only".
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:29
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Off Topic

My apologies to AVM West and PPruners for going off topic but..............

Secret1 you have made 18 posts in a little over 3 years; not much of a contribution really.

Your last 2 posts, on this thread, have been pointless invective; no logical thought and no sensible argument.

Why bother?

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:32
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Don't know the Lady but well done Ma'am, that is a career to be proud of

Counters the accusations over the past days on other threads that the RAF is less than a meritocratic organisation.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:33
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It seems that "first" and "only" doesn't quite cut it though in this case - count the rings on her No 1s...



This is Katherine Trefusis-Forbes (as previously mentioned) from the Women's Aux Air Force. She was a 2-star.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:42
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I neglected to add my own congratulations to AVM West. She must be exceptionally competent, both within her branch and without, to achieve her current prominence from such humble beginnings.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:43
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...then there is Mary Welsh...



So, whilst I am delighted for this officer of high regard, I am not so delighted with having the "first female to" rammed down my throat by the incredibly ignorant media lot (FFS the RAF is only 95 years old - it can't be that difficult!).

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:53
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Then there was Jean Conan Doyle (the daughter of Sir Arthur) who was also a 2 star...



So should the headline read "New Head of DIO goes to well respected officer" - now that would be gender fair, don't you think?
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 23:55
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I feel your pain Leon.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 07:25
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LJ

Your diatribe that she isn't the first should perhaps be pointed out to CDS, as he just may have been the chap that wanted all of this media attention for Ma'am West, and her promotion success.

As a FTRS officer your DII account can surely reach him.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 07:53
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LJ - Isn't the point that AVM West is a member of the regular RAF, not a separate auxiliary force or service? Otherwise, by your reckoning, each of the 17 Directors of WRNS qualified as a Royal Navy 2* despite having belonged to a separate service prior to amalgamation.



Mind you, the Royal Navy has had its own woman 3* for some years:



Despite sounding rather clumsy, perhaps "first woman 2* in the regular RAF" would suit you better?
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 08:51
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Semantics, old bean, semantics. Would you care to define 'Regular' - there are many full-time WAAFs and many highly decorated (I've met some in a rather select Club in Knightsbridge).

The Women's RAF disbanded in 1920 and the WAAFs were its replacement along with the Nursing Service. The WRAF did not form again until after the war and then finally everything was blobbed into the RAF.

Now if we were to cherry pick like you suggest, then the RAF should not be celebrating the 100 year anniversaries of our Sqns (which were RNAS and RFC originally) that we have so blatantly trumpeted over the past 3 years or so (including RAF jets with anniversary painted tails). You can't have it both ways old chum

So in my reckoning the headline should read either:

"Talented officer is appointed Head of DIO" - removing all traces of equality and diversity spin.

Or "Female officer Elaine West appointed 4th ever 2-star in RAF"

Everything else is spin and lies...

IMHO

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Old 24th Aug 2013, 09:19
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Leon,

You reckon that long eh?!

Gijoe

Now you've done it, you've sewn a seed for AFPS24...


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Old 24th Aug 2013, 09:22
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PS. If we're into trumpetting firsts then why didn't we have "First Navigator to 4-star rank" (Simon Bryant in 2010) and "2nd ever Navigator 4-star heading up new Joint Force Command" (Stuart Peach). So this 'spin' is sexist in my opinion when we are supposed to be equal. The fact that she is female should have no bearing on it.

Now the fact that she appears to be highly rated, professional and deserved of 2-star rank (according to most on here), then that is what the headline should reflect; not the incorrect fact that she is the first female 2-star in HM's Air Force.

Now, if she were to reach 3-star, now I agree, that would be a first!

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