Gibraltar
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: S of 55N
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I find myself wondering why they haven't 'ganged up' before
Gibraltar And Falklands Pose New Battle For UK
Sun.
Gibraltar And Falklands Pose New Battle For UK
Sun.
..because they haven't simultaneously needed to divert their respective populations' attention before?
p.s. the Yorkshire Ridings still exist. When the Post Office brought in that North Humberside rubbish, we just kept addressing letters to 'East Riding' till they gave up.
p.s. the Yorkshire Ridings still exist. When the Post Office brought in that North Humberside rubbish, we just kept addressing letters to 'East Riding' till they gave up.
Last edited by Fox3WheresMyBanana; 12th Aug 2013 at 08:52.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK, sometimes!
Age: 74
Posts: 436
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can someone explain why HMS Illustrious is being sent to Gibraltar aeroplaneless?
1. It is not being sent to Gibraltar, it is passing Gibraltar en-route to the Middle East to take part in the long-planned Exercise Cougar '13,
and...
2. It is not "aeroplaneless" as it is now a helicopter carrier and will have several helicopters embarked in order to carry out its role in Ex Cougar '13, i.e. to assist in the delivery of hundreds of Royal Marines ashore and provide ASW screen to the 'task force'.
Good enough explanation for you?
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 1,515
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Maybe a few of you could do with a little bit of travelling, or broadening your reading material?
All this horse manure about "diverting the population's attention" is pure drivel.
The Spanish people are mightily p1ssed off at the moment, but with the state of their economy and with the people they perceive to have shafted them (USA, Germany, all the banks, et al). They could not give a FF about Gib so all this is going right over their heads.
The Spanish government have kicked off over Gib because the Gibraltar government raised the ante. The splutter and bluster coming out of No 10 is quite embarrassing and will actually play well the Spanish, if indeed, their government is looking for diversion. Nothing the spanish like more than a barrel load of empty threats.
Ironically, if No 10 want to get serious they have the wherewithal to kick the Spanish right where it hurts by attacking the tourism traffic from the UK.
I doubt it could be done legally within the EU, but the mere threat that the UK could go down the tit for tat route and levy up on tourist traffic would capture the attention of the Spanish tourist industry faster than you can say Torremolinos.
All this horse manure about "diverting the population's attention" is pure drivel.
The Spanish people are mightily p1ssed off at the moment, but with the state of their economy and with the people they perceive to have shafted them (USA, Germany, all the banks, et al). They could not give a FF about Gib so all this is going right over their heads.
The Spanish government have kicked off over Gib because the Gibraltar government raised the ante. The splutter and bluster coming out of No 10 is quite embarrassing and will actually play well the Spanish, if indeed, their government is looking for diversion. Nothing the spanish like more than a barrel load of empty threats.
Ironically, if No 10 want to get serious they have the wherewithal to kick the Spanish right where it hurts by attacking the tourism traffic from the UK.
I doubt it could be done legally within the EU, but the mere threat that the UK could go down the tit for tat route and levy up on tourist traffic would capture the attention of the Spanish tourist industry faster than you can say Torremolinos.
Last edited by The Old Fat One; 12th Aug 2013 at 13:32.
The Spanish people are mightily p1ssed off at the moment, but with the state of their economy and with the people they perceive to have shafted them (USA, Germany, all the banks, et al).
The Spanish government have kicked off over Gib because the Gibraltar government raised the ante.
The splutter and bluster coming out of No 10 is quite embarrassing and will actually play well the Spanish, if indeed, their government is looking for diversion.
You really should think things through before you post.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary an aeroplane is "A powered flying vehicle WITH FIXED WINGS and a weight greater than the air it displaces". Illustrious is therefore most definitely "aeroplaneless" and will sadly remain so.
And the reason? Coz we aint got none guvnor.
Never mind though, given that she'll be putting into a Spanish port en route, maybe our NATO ally wouldnt mind helping out with a deployment of their very impressive jump jets. We really should get some of those.
Oh, hang on a minute.....
And the reason? Coz we aint got none guvnor.
Never mind though, given that she'll be putting into a Spanish port en route, maybe our NATO ally wouldnt mind helping out with a deployment of their very impressive jump jets. We really should get some of those.
Oh, hang on a minute.....
According to the Oxford English Dictionary an aeroplane is "A powered flying vehicle WITH FIXED WINGS and a weight greater than the air it displaces".
As someone who spends quite a lot of his life talking to people about aeroplanes, aircraft and helicopters, I'm a tad ashamed to say I hadn't cottoned on to that nice distinction.
My OED is slightly different to yours - it says
A powered heavier-than-air flying vehicle with fixed wings
It also says that an aircraft is
a machine capable of flight, esp. an aeroplane or helicopter
airsound
Well its all just part of the fun.
Never mind though, its not all bad news. The Spaniards just decommisioned their one true carrier Principe de Asturias a few months back. Something to do with being skint I believe. So they might well be only too grateful for a hand in that department.
Theres always the chance though they can make a few bob by selling her on to a friendly Latin American nation.....
Oh dear
Never mind though, its not all bad news. The Spaniards just decommisioned their one true carrier Principe de Asturias a few months back. Something to do with being skint I believe. So they might well be only too grateful for a hand in that department.
Theres always the chance though they can make a few bob by selling her on to a friendly Latin American nation.....
Oh dear
Last edited by Coochycool; 12th Aug 2013 at 17:53.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,820
Received 2,799 Likes
on
1,192 Posts
They should have waited then they could of had Maritime coverage, the American Gannet has just flown again and the one at St Athans is heading towards its first flight..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater
Very nice, thanks for posting.
So thats it boys, we've cracked it.
All thats left now is to deploy Vulcan 558 out to Gib n we'll have the buggers running off scared into the sunset.
So thats it boys, we've cracked it.
All thats left now is to deploy Vulcan 558 out to Gib n we'll have the buggers running off scared into the sunset.
Wouldnt we all love to see this?
Especially the ready made captive audience backed up from the border to the runway gates. Get them to turn the taps up a bit and we'll see if we can set off all the car alarms in La Linea.
Wodja reckon they'll get Spanish ATC clearance though?!
Especially the ready made captive audience backed up from the border to the runway gates. Get them to turn the taps up a bit and we'll see if we can set off all the car alarms in La Linea.
Wodja reckon they'll get Spanish ATC clearance though?!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: England
Posts: 367
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dear Mad Mark,
Regrettably your explanation was short of the mark. As explained by CC there is a difference between aeroplane and aircraft which is also detailed in EU law (PART IR) so I chose my word with care.
An RAF colleague once told me that the only reason that helicopters become airborne is because the earth repels them. Anyway, moving on........
I cannot see how any aeroplaneless carrier can rattle any sabres and although this warship exercise was 'pre planned' the 'coincidence' has not been lost on the Spanish or the press. I fail to see the wisdom of sending it to the Med' as it makes us (as a nation) look toothless (which we are but no sense in advertising it eh?)
Regards
EM
Regrettably your explanation was short of the mark. As explained by CC there is a difference between aeroplane and aircraft which is also detailed in EU law (PART IR) so I chose my word with care.
An RAF colleague once told me that the only reason that helicopters become airborne is because the earth repels them. Anyway, moving on........
I cannot see how any aeroplaneless carrier can rattle any sabres and although this warship exercise was 'pre planned' the 'coincidence' has not been lost on the Spanish or the press. I fail to see the wisdom of sending it to the Med' as it makes us (as a nation) look toothless (which we are but no sense in advertising it eh?)
Regards
EM
Indeedy.
Apologies for thread drift here but recently I couldnt help but notice the contrasting responses to Europes' economic implosion.
The Brits elected to ditch the Harrier (oops, bit Freudian) but retain their flat-top.
The Spaniards have tied up their carrier but retained the jets, and are now operating them, perhaps with some difficulty, off something called the Juan Carlos I. Bit reminiscent of the Ocean.
Sorry, unable to post links or piccies, maybe someone else can oblige if so interested.
Anyway, bit daft asking this in an aviation forum, but which way would you have gone? Fraid I'm ignorant of the relative savings but would Lusty have been a fair cop in order to retain even a handful of SHARS?
Dunno
Apologies for thread drift here but recently I couldnt help but notice the contrasting responses to Europes' economic implosion.
The Brits elected to ditch the Harrier (oops, bit Freudian) but retain their flat-top.
The Spaniards have tied up their carrier but retained the jets, and are now operating them, perhaps with some difficulty, off something called the Juan Carlos I. Bit reminiscent of the Ocean.
Sorry, unable to post links or piccies, maybe someone else can oblige if so interested.
Anyway, bit daft asking this in an aviation forum, but which way would you have gone? Fraid I'm ignorant of the relative savings but would Lusty have been a fair cop in order to retain even a handful of SHARS?
Dunno
Join Date: May 2006
Location: 2 m South of Radstock VRP
Posts: 2,042
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Anyway, the aerodyne embarked Carrier is part of Ex COUGAR 13 which will have been known to our NATO Allies for some considerable time. We have 2 Spains; the hypersensitive packed full of national esteem one and the sensible NATO cooperative one. To change the Exercise Order simply because we have a diplomatic tiff would pander to the former and probably not greatly impress the latter.