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Going there in a few weeks for the brother-in-laws wedding, we visit a couple of times a year. Staying in a hotel in Spain and commuting across daily.
Things have been getting arsey for months, even before this fishing fiasco. Civil Guards have been spotted STANDING ON THE BEACH and taking photos of themselves, then legging it back to the boat when Gib authorities arrive. It seems to be local commanders taking things into their own hands in 'El Presidente' style.
Generally, the border guards are friendly and courteous and there are few delays, even at peak times when there can be hundreds of spanish workers crossing to jobs in Gib. We go to eat in La Linea and most of the time we flash a passport from 30 yards and they wave us through. The current delays are targeted for maximum publicity, funny how politicians will do anything to distract from economic problems........... Malvinas anyone????
Things have been getting arsey for months, even before this fishing fiasco. Civil Guards have been spotted STANDING ON THE BEACH and taking photos of themselves, then legging it back to the boat when Gib authorities arrive. It seems to be local commanders taking things into their own hands in 'El Presidente' style.
Generally, the border guards are friendly and courteous and there are few delays, even at peak times when there can be hundreds of spanish workers crossing to jobs in Gib. We go to eat in La Linea and most of the time we flash a passport from 30 yards and they wave us through. The current delays are targeted for maximum publicity, funny how politicians will do anything to distract from economic problems........... Malvinas anyone????
Doesn't bode well for the FSTA mission management development.
Back to Gib. When Spain has so much unemployment and general financial mayhem, quacking about the right to Gib might sound all very nationalistic and clever, but even Franco thought better of disturbing the status quo. In any case, if they can't run Spain properly, what makes them think that running Gibraltar as well would be of any benefit?
Unlike Ceuta and Melilla, which were obtained by conquest and were never officially ceded, Gibraltar was indeed ceded to Britain in perpetuity. If they don't accept the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, perhaps we should take a similar view of the 1783 Treaty of Versailles and demand the return of Menorca?
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So that's where Courtney's gone ... he's dusted off his leg restraints and headed south to fly CAP
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pasir...
Better let William Dartmouth know that then since he is under the impression that he is the MEP for Gibraltar 
Seems that the EU do not recognise (or accept) GIB as a member state of the EU
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Woo hoo, I have just been up in the loft and found my beret, mudguards, rankslides, OG's, Survive to Fight and framed stripped down Combo-Pen. I am certain I can acquire an NBC suit with the lining taken out, a stack of Green Cards (do they still have them I think they were F807?) but most importantly the stamp that authorises them.
Under no circumstances will I enter into bartering for a stamp with WO & FS Junior Ranks Mess, WO Supply, JNCO Clothing Stores, JNCO Squipper, SNCO Flying Clothing or SNCO Allowances.
GDT Rock volunteers his services!
Will there be a hotel and rates?
Under no circumstances will I enter into bartering for a stamp with WO & FS Junior Ranks Mess, WO Supply, JNCO Clothing Stores, JNCO Squipper, SNCO Flying Clothing or SNCO Allowances.
GDT Rock volunteers his services!
Will there be a hotel and rates?
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See if you can track down WO O'Cxxxx's (the well known rock showjumper) fire plan from 1982 ...told me that he had great fields of fire set up across the runway...showing the difference between enfilade and defilade fire...
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Appologies for inadvertantly adding to any confusion over the Gibralter issue whereby my original post should have quoted from a news report that 'Spain' does not recognise Gibralter as a member state of the EU.
So far as can be ascertained, to come to any firm undisputed
conclusion on the subject then one may need to trawl through reams of
Governmental diplomatic gobbledygook.
So far as can be ascertained, to come to any firm undisputed
conclusion on the subject then one may need to trawl through reams of
Governmental diplomatic gobbledygook.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Appologies for inadvertantly adding to any confusion over the Gibralter issue whereby my original post should have quoted from a news report that 'Spain' does not recognise Gibralter as a member state of the EU.
With respect to the application of EU law to Gibraltar, the governments of Spain and the United Kingdom made the following Declaration which is appended (as Declaration 55) to the Treaty on European Union: "The Treaties apply to Gibraltar as a European territory for whose external relations a Member State is responsible. This shall not imply changes in the respective positions of the Member States concerned."
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Gibraltar's Chief Minister has accused Spain of acting like North Korea and sabre-rattling over the country's new hard-line stance on Gibraltar.
As others have said Gib is British thanks to the Treaty of Utrecht and the population wishes to remain so under the UN Right to Self Determination. Unlike Melilla and Ceuta which are not covered by any treaty AFAIK and the residents of which would rather not be Spanish!
Instead of political games and raising a few quid a far sighted Spanish Minister would be far better leading an advertising campaign in the UK to attract holidaymakers - something along the lines of 'come back to an old friend' to 'cash in' on the uncertainty thanks to various Arab 'seasons' - if Turkey kicks off again there would be real money to be made on the costas even if only 30% of the Turkish trade reverted to Spain.
Instead of political games and raising a few quid a far sighted Spanish Minister would be far better leading an advertising campaign in the UK to attract holidaymakers - something along the lines of 'come back to an old friend' to 'cash in' on the uncertainty thanks to various Arab 'seasons' - if Turkey kicks off again there would be real money to be made on the costas even if only 30% of the Turkish trade reverted to Spain.
Unlike Melilla and Ceuta which are not covered by any treaty AFAIK and the residents of which would rather not be Spanish!
LJ
PS. Very drole, coff
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Hi LJ ...
Yep ... Looks like they modelled you spot on too
Mind you this one is a cracker
Best ...
Coff.
Yep ... Looks like they modelled you spot on too
Mind you this one is a cracker
Best ...
Coff.
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If you put 8 jets* into the Gib circuit and you all do rollers for 20 minutes, you can cause an international traffic jam, which p!sses the Spaniards off mightily!
Max Boyce.
p.s. BBC News - Argentine President Fernandez renews Falklands claims at UN
Everybody act surprised.
"To lose two bits of allegedly Latin territory looks like carelessness"
with apologies to Oscar
*do we still have 8 jets?
Max Boyce.
p.s. BBC News - Argentine President Fernandez renews Falklands claims at UN
Everybody act surprised.
"To lose two bits of allegedly Latin territory looks like carelessness"
with apologies to Oscar
*do we still have 8 jets?
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