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RAF VC10 - Great Memories

Old 14th Jul 2013, 15:16
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I cannot recall that the RAF purchased any civilian VC10's. I flew on the very first RAF VC10 that came from Vickers (BAC) and it was purposefully built for the RAF. The original contract for VC10's did not have any military connection but when that contract 'expired' the RAF tasked the manufacturer to a military requirement...no civilian conversion, to my knowledge, took place.
The tanker fleet of K3 and 4 were all ex civilian BA and East African Airways VC10's dragged out of storage at Abingdon. Having been a regular visitor to rob bits off them one was suprised when they flew out, spares having became an issue when the VC10 stores depot had the fire.

VC10s in storage

The best of all of them was the Gulf Air one parked at Brize, it was slowly gutted, I think there were issues with paperwork being missing so it never flew again... She was finally moved, jacked and her gear removed, then lowered onto her belly near the dog section if memory serves me correctly, they then decided it was in the wrong place and needed to move a bit, so she was jacked up, a full set of gear fitted then she was trundled over a bit before being jacked, the gear removed and dropped again....
We went to remove a few bits and I noticed she still had the engine fire bottles fitted with carts, so I removed the bottles and returned them through stores, I bet that caused some Stores bod some paperwork head aches..
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Old 14th Jul 2013, 15:24
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Davita: I was exchanging Christmas cards with Bobby M for a number of years post-Travis, and I'm happy to say that a bit of Googling suggests that a gent going by his name is still alive in a town close to the base. So, hopefully, not murdered. And whilst Jerry Poole was certainly quite tall, I've no recollection of his being any kind of darts whiz, even at Carterton local level!

And BEagle is quite right, data for IMN.088 was in the ODM Vol II and would incur very heavy fuel use. I don't recall ever using those pages.
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Thanks for the update to the RAF buying those ex-commercial A/C as tankers. I was unaware of that as it was well after my time so my post referred to the original ones which, although they had a refuel receiver capability, I don't think anyone had, at that time, considered using the VC10 as a tanker.
I recall we did attach the probe to one A/C and did try receiving from a V-bomber but there seemed to be a lot of buffeting. However, the in-flight refuel system did make the fuel system management more flexible than any other A/C I've been on as an F/E.

Thanks IMC.... that is good news about B.M. I'm scratching my head to remember what I heard, and it may be that he was mugged and I think stabbed, but my memory of him dying was fortunately untrue.
Did Jerry Poole replace BM or was that another USAF exchange officer? He was the great darts player, which we considered amusing, as darts is such a British game.
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Old 14th Jul 2013, 18:56
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I remember being taken round the East African VC10s (88-91 time I think) when they were being converted at Filton. An ex Flt Sgt from Base hangar by the name of Al Shrewsbury was working there as a civvie and I was based at RR on the Eurofighter Team. Because I knew Al from Brize he showed us things on those 10s that would make your eyes water. For example the corrosion to the main ECU spas, (which you could see when you opened the back panel of the rear toilets was unbelievable). It was like a peeled onion.
At the time we all agreed that they would never fly again and if they did it would only be for a few hours.
How wrong we were!!
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I remember being taken round the East African VC10s (88-91 time I think) when they were being converted at Filton.
All 4 ex-EAAC aircraft were delivered to 101 Sqn in 1985 as VC10K3s.

Perhaps you were referring to the ex-ba Super VC10s which had been in storage at RAF Abingdon for many years?
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Old 14th Jul 2013, 20:46
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Hi BEagle,

Many thanks for the correction. I must admit that it was a long time ago and my memories are pretty vague. I do seem to remember the 10s I saw had something like3 or 4 times the airframe hours on them in comparison to the 10 Sqn jets. Can you confirm if this is true or is this something else that I have distorted with time!!
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 15:50
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VC5 XX914 was aslo retired from Brize a few months ago.
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This made me chuckle when I first the read the obituary some years back:

Major-General Philip Tower, who as died aged 89, was GOC Middle East Land Forces in 1967 and supervised the withdrawal of British troops from Aden.


In 1963 the sheikhdoms of the Aden Protectorates were merged with the British colony of Aden to form the Federation of South Arabia. The following year Britain announced that the Federation would be granted Independence by 1968 but British forces would remain in Aden.


In 1964 Arab nationalists formed the National Liberal Front (NLF) and began an urban terrorist campaign in Aden. They were joined by a second group, the Front for the Liberation of Occupied Yemen. In 1966 the British government agreed to withdraw all the troops by Independence.


A mutiny in the South Arabian Army in June 1967 spread to the Aden Armed Police. The insurgents fired on a group of soldiers entering Crater on reconnaissance, killing all of them. British forces were withdrawn and the township was taken over by the terrorist NLF.



After the Aden theatre was declared to be active service, Tower reminded the soldiers, not all of whom shared his enthusiasm, that the chances of being awarded a medal had greatly increased they might get a mention in dispatches, an MM or even a VC. This prompted a shout from the ranks of: "The only VC I want to see is a VC-10!"

(The rest of the obit is on the Telegraph website if anyone wants to see the rest.)

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Old 17th Jul 2013, 11:30
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I had many happy days deploying, or being trailed, to 4 continents in or behind these characterful and graceful aircraft. My abiding memory, though, is the perseverance of their crews, especially in the face of technical difficulties. They would work through almost any problem to ensure they landed somewhere either hot/exotic/good for rates. Always remarkably serviceable when getting out of places such as MPA of the Gulf, though......

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Saw one in the Brize circuit today with no pods or pylons fitted, why is that? Can't have much of role without those bits hanging off the wings!
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 12:29
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the 10s I saw had something like3 or 4 times the airframe hours on them in comparison to the 10 Sqn jets.
Sounds about right.

Over in Borneo in 1985 I was chatting with the Crew Chief of a (then 20 year old) RAF VC10 that was passing through. He said the aircraft was getting old and now had 18,000 hours on it. I pointed out that our 6 year old B737 on the next stand had 12,000 hours on it already.

Where I'm sitting right now, our 26 year old B757s have between 87,000 and 93,000 hours on them. Around 3-4,000 hours a year would be typical for a civilian long-haul jet.
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Might have been lower hours but had some serious landings on them, while the Airline versions used to climb up to xyz feet and cruise for six hours plus, the RAF used to stick 70 odd K of fuel in them and do circuits and bumps all day, day in day out...

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Saw one in the Brize circuit today with no pods or pylons fitted, why is that? Can't have much of role without those bits hanging off the wings!
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Can't be many left now! I shall miss the roar of four conways in close formation! Noisy they may be but at least they don't drone on and on like the C130's do!
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Just 3 x VC10K3.....147, 148 & 150.

I wonder what'll happen if there's a 2R 'event' after 20 Sep 13?????
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I wonder what'll happen if there's a 2R 'event' after 20 Sep 13?????
What is a 2R event, BEagle?
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I wonder what'll happen if there's a 2R 'event' after 20 Sep 13?????
What is a 2R event, BEagle?

The 2R hypothesis or Ohno's hypothesis, first proposed by Susumu Ohno in 1970,[1] is a hypothesis in genomics and molecular evolution suggesting that the genomes of the early vertebrate lineage underwent two complete genome duplications, and thus modern vertebrate genomes reflect paleopolyploidy.

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Old 17th Jul 2013, 16:09
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You know very well, MrB!!

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Old 17th Jul 2013, 16:56
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2R Event

Well BEages you've stated something now, there's sure to be a few SNIFFING for an answer.
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 19:01
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The best of all of them was the Gulf Air one parked at Brize, it was slowly gutted, I think there were issues with paperwork being missing so it never flew again... She was finally moved, jacked and her gear removed, then lowered onto her belly near the dog section if memory serves me correctly, they then decided it was in the wrong place and needed to move a bit, so she was jacked up, a full set of gear fitted then she was trundled over a bit before being jacked, the gear removed and dropped again....
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