Su-35S at Le Bourget -WOW!
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Su-35S at Le Bourget -WOW!
It's impressive just how far the thrust-vectoring has come along in the last 10 years since Anatoly Kvochur started wowing the crowds. Imagine how impressive the next generation of these will be without the G-constraints of a human body inside....
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The way I see it is the west seem to go with Fads, trying to build different designs of ever changing complexity.... In effect having to start again from scratch on designs
We had the conventional swept winged like the Lightning and Phantom
Then went over to a swing wing like the Tornado
Then swopped over to a delta design like the Typhoon
Next is back to conventional with the F35
The Russians on the other hand have copied the design layout of the F-15 and then through several generations have improved on that design layout getting better and better thus sticking with a game plan and improving it. Which I bet works out significantly cheaper.
MIG 29
SU 27
SU-35
We had the conventional swept winged like the Lightning and Phantom
Then went over to a swing wing like the Tornado
Then swopped over to a delta design like the Typhoon
Next is back to conventional with the F35
The Russians on the other hand have copied the design layout of the F-15 and then through several generations have improved on that design layout getting better and better thus sticking with a game plan and improving it. Which I bet works out significantly cheaper.
MIG 29
SU 27
SU-35
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I'm sure the septics will be along shortly to reassure us that our hard spent budget isn't buying anything more than a £120 million target...
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Astonishingly for the Daily Mail, some very good photographs in the paper:
Incredible pictures from the Paris Air Show of world's most advanced jets | Mail Online
Particularly like the look of the A400M, maybe a bit biased !!!
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Incredible pictures from the Paris Air Show of world's most advanced jets | Mail Online
Particularly like the look of the A400M, maybe a bit biased !!!
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I don't think the CCCP copied the F15 as such, what they did was create a new aircraft the MIG 29 and then developed other new aircraft from that such as the SU range of aircraft. The Russians are very good at building aerodynamic platforms but they are still some way behind the integrated systems the West enjoy (for the time being anyway...).
Now the next generation aircraft are nearing the completion of the test flying, that's when things will get interesting when the new stealth aircraft goes into production in large numbers to many customers we (the West) cannot sell our aircraft to for one reason or another.
Happy landing...
Now the next generation aircraft are nearing the completion of the test flying, that's when things will get interesting when the new stealth aircraft goes into production in large numbers to many customers we (the West) cannot sell our aircraft to for one reason or another.
Happy landing...
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Originally Posted by Zero1
what they did was create a new aircraft the MIG 29 and then developed other new aircraft from that such as the SU range of aircraft.
The MiG being designed as a cheap mass produced aircraft and the SU27 being much much bigger, powerful, cost-not-as-much-an-issue air superiority fighter. Like comparing F-16 to F-15.
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AMRAAM at 40 miles............surely you can see the flaw in that (even from a stealth aircraft) given the detecting output of this aircraft.
You would not be a surprise at 50 miles, so why would you at 40?
You would not be a surprise at 50 miles, so why would you at 40?
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Originally Posted by Zero1
what they did was create a new aircraft the MIG 29 and then developed other new aircraft from that such as the SU range of aircraft.
I thought the MiG29 and SU27 were two completely different concepts.
The MiG being designed as a cheap mass produced aircraft and the SU27 being much much bigger, powerful, cost-not-as-much-an-issue air superiority fighter. Like comparing F-16 to F-15.
Originally Posted by Zero1
what they did was create a new aircraft the MIG 29 and then developed other new aircraft from that such as the SU range of aircraft.
I thought the MiG29 and SU27 were two completely different concepts.
The MiG being designed as a cheap mass produced aircraft and the SU27 being much much bigger, powerful, cost-not-as-much-an-issue air superiority fighter. Like comparing F-16 to F-15.
Chopping back and forth, conventional, swing wing, delta, conventional, that evolution doesn't tend to happen as they in effect start from scratch each time, and is a more expensive option because of that fact.
I'm probably totally wrong, but hey ho it won't be the first or the last time
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Watching that Sukhoi perform made me feel quite queasy! Imagine the G forces and the sense of disorientation for the pilot in those loops, spins, and rolls. Amazing.
