Here it comes: Syria
it will be leaders with clout that make the decisions not ours
IMHO Iran wants Nukes because it wants to be safe. Yes I agree that the sheer stupidity of some of their leaders regarding Israel means that we are wary of them. If you look at it from their point of view you can imagine how they feel. The West have been meddling in Iran for some time now, even to the point of being complicit in overthrowing a government and replacing a leader with a puppet.
In addition to this, it is bordered on both sides by countries with whom it has either been at war or has been occupied by troops of countries who are blockading it economically. There have been numerous threats and rumours of attacks by other countries against its facilities and indeed, the stuxtnet attacks which crippled their reactors. Lets not forget that Obama himself said that such attacks on the USA would be considered an act of war.
Now of course things are slightly different. There is a new leader in power who even tweeted greetings and congratulations to Israel on its last holiday.
I don't believe Iran, one of the oldest civilisations in the world would seriously attack Israel unless the country and its leaders had a death wish. In order for Iran to be completely safe from a perceived attack, they would like a nuclear weapon, if only to give them a bargaining chip, just as North Korea has done.
In addition to this, it is bordered on both sides by countries with whom it has either been at war or has been occupied by troops of countries who are blockading it economically. There have been numerous threats and rumours of attacks by other countries against its facilities and indeed, the stuxtnet attacks which crippled their reactors. Lets not forget that Obama himself said that such attacks on the USA would be considered an act of war.
Now of course things are slightly different. There is a new leader in power who even tweeted greetings and congratulations to Israel on its last holiday.
I don't believe Iran, one of the oldest civilisations in the world would seriously attack Israel unless the country and its leaders had a death wish. In order for Iran to be completely safe from a perceived attack, they would like a nuclear weapon, if only to give them a bargaining chip, just as North Korea has done.
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Now of course things are slightly different. There is a new leader in power who even tweeted greetings and congratulations to Israel on its last holiday.
Oh AA you old curmudgeon, although of course the message from Iran's new leader was greeted by Israel and the West with a less than lukewarm reception. Its a start though don't you agree, or do you prefer Ahmadinejacket?
Are you saying that policies, ideals etc can't change?
Oh ye of little faith. From small acorns....
I may be naive, but hopefully there are others with slightly more influence and adaptability who may be more receptive.
Are you saying that policies, ideals etc can't change?
Oh ye of little faith. From small acorns....
I may be naive, but hopefully there are others with slightly more influence and adaptability who may be more receptive.
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Toadstool:
Did you see the recent report that says that communications from Iran into Iraq are instructing people to attack the US embassy and US interests should the US take any action in Syria?
Google it... It's not hard work... Trusting what the mass media is feeding you is easier... But you end up being fooled by people you probably are brighter than...
Just a thought...
Did you see the recent report that says that communications from Iran into Iraq are instructing people to attack the US embassy and US interests should the US take any action in Syria?
Google it... It's not hard work... Trusting what the mass media is feeding you is easier... But you end up being fooled by people you probably are brighter than...
Just a thought...
Ronald,
Will you ever learn in regards to Infowars and other similar websites? Debka has the Chinese Navy already secretly positioned off the Syrian Coast.
I notice that infowars has already put their spin on it with the following.
Not a single mention of why the Chinese vessels are in the region in the first place. I wonder why? The reason is to suck in the gullible that actually think that China has dispatched these vessels specifically for the Syrian crisis.
The Jinggangshan is part of the international anti-piracy patrols off Somalia and the region.
China sends escort fleet to Somali waters
The Task Force that was relieved.
Chinese naval escort task force calls at Singapore port
Quite amusing watching the conspiracy nuts get over excited in regards to this.
A Chinese landing craft with 1,000 marines for Syria ? reports
Will you ever learn in regards to Infowars and other similar websites? Debka has the Chinese Navy already secretly positioned off the Syrian Coast.
I notice that infowars has already put their spin on it with the following.
The report states that additional PLA warships have also been sent to the region but that their identity is unknown.
The Jinggangshan is part of the international anti-piracy patrols off Somalia and the region.
The 15th convoy fleet comprises three ships -- amphibious docking vessel Jinggangshan and missile frigate Hengshui from the navy's Nanhai Fleet, and supply ship Taihu from the Beihai Fleet -- carrying three helicopters and 800 troops.
The Task Force that was relieved.
Chinese naval escort task force calls at Singapore port
Quite amusing watching the conspiracy nuts get over excited in regards to this.
According to DEBKAfile, Beijing has already deployed a number of warships opposite Syria in secret. If the latest report is confirmed, this will be the largest Chinese deployment in the Middle East in its naval history
A Chinese landing craft with 1,000 marines for Syria ? reports
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And also... what are the politics of that organization.
I can produce lots of such maps by myself, with no data whatsoever.
Unless a source that is accessible to the public accompanies such graphics then the graphic, however true it may be, has no actual validity whatsoever.
I can produce lots of such maps by myself, with no data whatsoever.
Unless a source that is accessible to the public accompanies such graphics then the graphic, however true it may be, has no actual validity whatsoever.
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According to DEBKAfile, Beijing has already deployed a number of warships opposite Syria in secret.
I'm not sure how anyone could deploy a warship to the Med w/o anyone noticing...
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lovely map and nice to see Nigeria doing so well these days, ... just who
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lovely map and nice to see Nigeria doing so well these days, ... just who
provides the "wad" for Freedom house to do this work ?
I think the Mods binned the original post, as the map turned the page panoramic.
Linky to mahusive map: herehttp://pooyaka.files.wordpress.com/2...reedom-map.png
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The government of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner in 2012 continued indirect government censorship through the discriminatory allocation of official advertising and increased unfair tax treatment of political opponents. Official corruption remained a problem, with Vice President Amado Boudou becoming the latest government official to face allegations of illegal enrichment. Meanwhile, Argentina also continued to try and convict perpetrators of human rights violations committed during the “dirty war”.
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The government of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner in 2012 continued indirect government censorship through the discriminatory allocation of official advertising and increased unfair tax treatment of political opponents. Official corruption remained a problem, with Vice President Amado Boudou becoming the latest government official to face allegations of illegal enrichment. Meanwhile, Argentina also continued to try and convict perpetrators of human rights violations committed during the “dirty war”.
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The population of Syria is about 22m. About 74% are Sunni, 16% are Alwari and 10% Christian.
About 30% are refugees or in need of aid.
As most of the insurgents are from that Sunni group it is clear that an attack on Assad's minority is a support of a revolution.
IIRC the US support of Castro was support of a revolution and that went well didn't it.
Despots and dictators may be minority and oppressive rulers but they do bring stability.
Western freedoms to non-western peoples who have not previously been free seem to bring instability.
Maybe the vocal majority (in UK) know a truth when their politicians don't.
About 30% are refugees or in need of aid.
As most of the insurgents are from that Sunni group it is clear that an attack on Assad's minority is a support of a revolution.
IIRC the US support of Castro was support of a revolution and that went well didn't it.
Despots and dictators may be minority and oppressive rulers but they do bring stability.
Western freedoms to non-western peoples who have not previously been free seem to bring instability.
Maybe the vocal majority (in UK) know a truth when their politicians don't.
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Where's the threat to Europe or the USA? Stacks perfectly my old son, stacks perfectly...
Yet you're all for non-intervention in Iran's puppet? Doesn't quite stack.
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Re underpants - clue in the name, bit like Airbourne Aircrew
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With all this build up its going to be great if Congress votes no! If it does go ahead and Iran or/and Russia get directly involved, even if they simply start giving lots of weapons to Assad it could get very messy. I suppose our leaders desire to fight for Al Qaeda is so great they cannot help themselves.
I so hope Congress votes a great big NO!
I so hope Congress votes a great big NO!
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Tom:
I believe I made my position fairly clear right here.
Ronald:
I agree... Egg production in the USA will have to double to generate the amount that will be on O'Bummer's face...
I believe I made my position fairly clear right here.
Ronald:
I agree... Egg production in the USA will have to double to generate the amount that will be on O'Bummer's face...