Here it comes: Syria
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Memories of the Soviet "Cyprus Buoy" Landing Ship back in the 70s. It supposedly had enough armour and troops to evacuate the USSR embassy in Nicosia if the Turks went for the rest of the island.
Russian Ships Heading To Mediterranean
Russia's Interfax news agency says four Russian ships are on their way to the eastern Mediterranean.
The report on September 6 said two large landing ships and a reconnaissance ship had passed through the Dardanelles Strait entering the eastern Mediterranean. It said a third landing ship has left the Black Sea port of Sevastopol and would sail toward the eastern Mediterranean after picking a "special cargo" in Novorossiysk.
Kremlin chief of staff Sergei Ivanov said on September 5 that Russia is boosting its naval presence in the Mediterranean, "primarily" to organize a possible evacuation of Russians from Syria. It is unclear how many ships Russia has there.
The United States already has a strong naval presence in the region ahead of possible U.S. military strikes in Syria following a suspected chemical-weapons attack.
Russian Ships Heading To Mediterranean
Russia's Interfax news agency says four Russian ships are on their way to the eastern Mediterranean.
The report on September 6 said two large landing ships and a reconnaissance ship had passed through the Dardanelles Strait entering the eastern Mediterranean. It said a third landing ship has left the Black Sea port of Sevastopol and would sail toward the eastern Mediterranean after picking a "special cargo" in Novorossiysk.
Kremlin chief of staff Sergei Ivanov said on September 5 that Russia is boosting its naval presence in the Mediterranean, "primarily" to organize a possible evacuation of Russians from Syria. It is unclear how many ships Russia has there.
The United States already has a strong naval presence in the region ahead of possible U.S. military strikes in Syria following a suspected chemical-weapons attack.
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Putin was brilliant at this G20, its impressive he not only has China with him, but India and Brazil with him to. Good to see India understanding which block of nations her future is with, the same with Brazil. Also Indonesia and Argentina, may have been others but cannot find the list online.
The only ones with Obama are the same old tired puppets such as UK, France, Canada, Australia, Japan and South Korea plus some others. Plus those nations do not all support military action. So in effect the old nations reaching the end of their dominant time against the new emerging powers.
Also the Pope, Ban Ki Moon and Herman Van Rompuy have spoken out against military action.
Seems opinion in congress is going against intervention to as congressmen and senators are being contacted by thousands of Americans at a ratio of about 10 to 1 against military action in Syria.
The only ones with Obama are the same old tired puppets such as UK, France, Canada, Australia, Japan and South Korea plus some others. Plus those nations do not all support military action. So in effect the old nations reaching the end of their dominant time against the new emerging powers.
Also the Pope, Ban Ki Moon and Herman Van Rompuy have spoken out against military action.
Seems opinion in congress is going against intervention to as congressmen and senators are being contacted by thousands of Americans at a ratio of about 10 to 1 against military action in Syria.
We have thrashed the down sides of attacking Syria.....why not devote some time to arguing about the UP Side to NOT Attacking Syria.
Surely there are good things that will flow from the American People and Congress telling the President and his White House Advisors we want no part of new Wars or aggression against Middle Eastern Nations.
Is that not one of the common complaints by those who hate us so....our constant military presence and attacks against Islamic and Arab Nations and interests?
Perhaps there is very good news should we clip the President's Wings on this....as it will also affect future Presidents as well.
I maintain we have been far too slow to speak out against the national leadership when they start to take us to War for some trumped up bull**** reasons.
We can still defend American National Security Interests and at the same time scale way back on our military adventures!.
Surely there are good things that will flow from the American People and Congress telling the President and his White House Advisors we want no part of new Wars or aggression against Middle Eastern Nations.
Is that not one of the common complaints by those who hate us so....our constant military presence and attacks against Islamic and Arab Nations and interests?
Perhaps there is very good news should we clip the President's Wings on this....as it will also affect future Presidents as well.
I maintain we have been far too slow to speak out against the national leadership when they start to take us to War for some trumped up bull**** reasons.
We can still defend American National Security Interests and at the same time scale way back on our military adventures!.
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And I agreed with what Putin said about the UK, it's just it hasn't sunk into the our politicians thick heads that we no longer are a major player.. They seem to believe that you can reduce the Military down to a pittance and have the best of both worlds... As for Cameroon the buffoon, his reply was cringeworthy and had all the hallmarks of a petulant child..
The UK best at everything and invented every sport played around the World
Smacks of my dads bigger than yours.
Cameron to Putin: Britain is the best at everything ever
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The UK best at everything and invented every sport played around the World
Smacks of my dads bigger than yours.
Cameron to Putin: Britain is the best at everything ever
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When did you guys start chasing Goat Stomachs around the pasture on horseback?
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The only ones with Obama are the same old tired puppets such as UK, France, Canada, Australia, Japan and South Korea plus some others.
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They are all in decline though Broadsword***, guess Australia and Canada have a future due to their resources but certainly not in the same league as China, India, Russia etc. As is often the case when Washington commands, UK, Australia, Canada and France obey. Give it a decade or two and its likely to be a very different geopolitical world.
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Except we haven't.
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Our government would have if they could though! Some in the government still wish they could and want another vote in parliament, to keep voting until they get the 'right' result. Such loyal puppets. Luckily public opinion was such that enough MPs blinked! I hope it goes the same way in the USA.
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True, and it was the best thing they have ever done, it gave me the feeling there is a glimmer of Democracy..
I watched John McCain on TV tonight and the only thing that came over was whooooo Bottox OD.. None of them seem to in touch with reality
I watched John McCain on TV tonight and the only thing that came over was whooooo Bottox OD.. None of them seem to in touch with reality
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NutLoose, I agree with you totally.
As you say a glimmer of democracy. Its really a disgrace it was such a close vote, it should have been a huge majority against military action but still, it was the right result in the end.
As for McCain, I once respected him so much. I am shocked at his position on this.
I think from now on before further military interventions we should have the government of the day making the decision to go to war, then both houses of parliament voting, then provided it gets through them both, the people of this country get a referendum. If it fails at any hurdle then we do not go to war. I do not see how military action can take place if a majority of the people are against it. Maybe the only exception should be if our homeland itself is in huge danger and requires urgent response.
As you say a glimmer of democracy. Its really a disgrace it was such a close vote, it should have been a huge majority against military action but still, it was the right result in the end.
As for McCain, I once respected him so much. I am shocked at his position on this.
I think from now on before further military interventions we should have the government of the day making the decision to go to war, then both houses of parliament voting, then provided it gets through them both, the people of this country get a referendum. If it fails at any hurdle then we do not go to war. I do not see how military action can take place if a majority of the people are against it. Maybe the only exception should be if our homeland itself is in huge danger and requires urgent response.
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Nutty,
You talking about the big lump on McCain's left cheek?
If you are....he has had Cancer in that place on his cheek.
You talking about the big lump on McCain's left cheek?
If you are....he has had Cancer in that place on his cheek.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
SASLess, this thread has bounced along with pro-US, anti-war and back with lots of digression, will they won't they, should they shouldn't.
In all this I have lost the thread. With no hint of sarcasm, can you remind me, are you for a strike or not?
In all this I have lost the thread. With no hint of sarcasm, can you remind me, are you for a strike or not?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
A New Revolt of the Generals?
Back in the bloody Iraqi spring of 2006, a group of retired Army and Marine Corps generals including former Central Command chief Gen. Anthony Zinni and several two-star generals who had left the service after commanding troops in Iraq in 2004 and 2005, created a huge stir when they publicly demanded the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Dubbed the “Revolt of the Generals,” the episode sparked furious debate over the long-held tradition of former officers declining to publicly criticize their former civilian bosses—especially during wartime.
This morning, highly respected retired US Army Maj. Gen. Bob Scales wrote a sharp opinion piece in the Washington Post that exposes similar explosive issues within the Pentagon with regard to the possible war with Syria.
The difference here is that Scales makes his point about his displeasure with the Obama administration not as a former officer, but by using the opinions of what he claims to be “dozens” of active duty officers, all of whom he says are “embarrassed” to be associated with the White House’s bumbling of the situation:
Back in the bloody Iraqi spring of 2006, a group of retired Army and Marine Corps generals including former Central Command chief Gen. Anthony Zinni and several two-star generals who had left the service after commanding troops in Iraq in 2004 and 2005, created a huge stir when they publicly demanded the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Dubbed the “Revolt of the Generals,” the episode sparked furious debate over the long-held tradition of former officers declining to publicly criticize their former civilian bosses—especially during wartime.
This morning, highly respected retired US Army Maj. Gen. Bob Scales wrote a sharp opinion piece in the Washington Post that exposes similar explosive issues within the Pentagon with regard to the possible war with Syria.
The difference here is that Scales makes his point about his displeasure with the Obama administration not as a former officer, but by using the opinions of what he claims to be “dozens” of active duty officers, all of whom he says are “embarrassed” to be associated with the White House’s bumbling of the situation:
After personal exchanges with dozens of active and retired soldiers in recent days, I feel confident that what follows represents the overwhelming opinion of serving professionals who have been intimate witnesses to the unfolding events that will lead the United States into its next war.
They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.
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They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Iran Plots Revenge, U.S. Says
WASHINGTON—The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria, officials said, amid an expanding array of reprisal threats across the region.
Military officials have been trying to predict the range of possible responses from Syria, Iran and their allies. U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran's fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf, where American warships are positioned. U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut...........
The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards' Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials. In it, Mr. Soleimani said Shiite groups must be prepared to respond with force after a U.S. strike on Syria.
Iranian officials on Friday denied their government was plotting attacks in Iraq against the U.S. Alireza Miryousefi, a spokesman for Iran's United Nations mission, said the allegation was baseless and meant to "provoke the Congress" into authorizing a strike on Syria. "We should remember that relying on U.S. intelligence reports from anonymous officials will repeat the tragedy of Iraq," he said.............
Some officials believe a direct response from the Syrian or Iranian governments is less likely than reprisals from allied militant groups, such as Hezbollah. Hezbollah, whose members have been fighting alongside government forces against the Syrian rebellion, could be used to launch rocket attacks against U.S. military assets or American allies, including Israel.
When the U.S. went to war with Iraq in 1991, Saddam Hussein fired rockets at Israel. Officials in Mr. Assad's government have threatened to strike Israel, as well as Syria's neighbors Jordan and Turkey if they aid the U.S.
For days, American officials have said they were particularly concerned about potential attacks on Turkey and Jordan. U.S. officials haven't reinforced defenses in those countries, but both already have Patriot batteries capable of shooting down incoming missiles or fighter planes. Jordanian officials have said they also fear they could be hit by rockets or that Syrian forces would force new waves of refugees across the shared border, overwhelming the kingdom.
Other U.S. allies also are worried about an increased threat of retaliation. French officials said they are concerned Hezbollah could target the hundreds of French troops taking part in a U.N.-backed peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon..............
WASHINGTON—The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria, officials said, amid an expanding array of reprisal threats across the region.
Military officials have been trying to predict the range of possible responses from Syria, Iran and their allies. U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran's fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf, where American warships are positioned. U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut...........
The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards' Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials. In it, Mr. Soleimani said Shiite groups must be prepared to respond with force after a U.S. strike on Syria.
Iranian officials on Friday denied their government was plotting attacks in Iraq against the U.S. Alireza Miryousefi, a spokesman for Iran's United Nations mission, said the allegation was baseless and meant to "provoke the Congress" into authorizing a strike on Syria. "We should remember that relying on U.S. intelligence reports from anonymous officials will repeat the tragedy of Iraq," he said.............
Some officials believe a direct response from the Syrian or Iranian governments is less likely than reprisals from allied militant groups, such as Hezbollah. Hezbollah, whose members have been fighting alongside government forces against the Syrian rebellion, could be used to launch rocket attacks against U.S. military assets or American allies, including Israel.
When the U.S. went to war with Iraq in 1991, Saddam Hussein fired rockets at Israel. Officials in Mr. Assad's government have threatened to strike Israel, as well as Syria's neighbors Jordan and Turkey if they aid the U.S.
For days, American officials have said they were particularly concerned about potential attacks on Turkey and Jordan. U.S. officials haven't reinforced defenses in those countries, but both already have Patriot batteries capable of shooting down incoming missiles or fighter planes. Jordanian officials have said they also fear they could be hit by rockets or that Syrian forces would force new waves of refugees across the shared border, overwhelming the kingdom.
Other U.S. allies also are worried about an increased threat of retaliation. French officials said they are concerned Hezbollah could target the hundreds of French troops taking part in a U.N.-backed peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon..............
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I love the toughness of arm chair generals like SASless commenting on executions of prisoners:
You won't be so matter of fact if its a couple of Tornado crews being beheaded as war criminals - which they will be if there is no U.N. resolution. You also might not be so logical if it is your granny who freezes to death without Russian gas next winter.
To put it another way, you tossers sound EXACTLY like the idiots who sat and watched as we sleepwalked into World War One.
Get it through your heads that this is serious and pontificating about weapon performance and other stuff is just plain obscene. This thing can explode in all our faces, including in Britain, and we are fools if we think otherwise.
You won't be so matter of fact if its a couple of Tornado crews being beheaded as war criminals - which they will be if there is no U.N. resolution. You also might not be so logical if it is your granny who freezes to death without Russian gas next winter.
To put it another way, you tossers sound EXACTLY like the idiots who sat and watched as we sleepwalked into World War One.
Get it through your heads that this is serious and pontificating about weapon performance and other stuff is just plain obscene. This thing can explode in all our faces, including in Britain, and we are fools if we think otherwise.
We should also take a very hard look at where our energy comes from and take a monumental step forwards.
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You won't be so matter of fact if its a couple of Tornado crews being beheaded as war criminals - which they will be if there is no U.N. resolution.
You also might not be so logical if it is your granny who freezes to death without Russian gas next winter.
Transport modes and routes for gas have also diversified. Until the early 2000s, most of Europe’s imports came via pipelines. But over the past decade, Europe has become a major customer in the rapidly growing market for liquefied natural gas (LNG), which is transported by sea.
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