Here it comes: Syria
This country does not need another war. Shouldn't even be in the sandpit now.
Also, 'we' the nominally Christian 'West' can't be seen piling in to 'murder' good Muslims - they're busy blowing each other away. Sunni vs Shiite or vice versa - let them get on with it.
Also, 'we' the nominally Christian 'West' can't be seen piling in to 'murder' good Muslims - they're busy blowing each other away. Sunni vs Shiite or vice versa - let them get on with it.
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At last a house of commons with some common sense. They thwarted the ambitions of Cameron and his poodle Foreign Secretary to put more British military lives at stake for no benefit to Britain.You would be hard pressed to find any ordinary citizens who would be willing to sacrifice one British soldiers life for Syria.After the wonderful results of intervention in Afghanistan,Iraq and Libya is our Prime Minister really that dim that he does not know when to come in from the rain.As an aside - how many of those MPs that voted for military action have sons or daughters in the armed forces? We are cutting back on funding for the poorest in our society yet Mr Cameron wants to fire cruise missiles at a million dollars per copy at the Syrians - I think he needs a rapid change of priorities.The good thing that comes from this is that his chances of being the next Prime Minister are about zero.
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Mr Cameron wants to fire cruise missiles at a million dollars per copy at the Syrians
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Not many moons ago I was witness to some pretty horrific 'atrocities' over in Bosnia - a similar situation to the Syrian tribal disaster we see unfolding. The UN were as impotent as they currently are - but until someone with big clanging cajoles takes charge of that organisation we will continue to have all this dreadful 'posturing' by Obama, Cameron, Hague etc. every time some despot comes under a bit of 'popular' pressure.
I really hope this will be a step change in the current British military crusade mentality - and yes, if we can now scale down our military inventory to reflect our new 'policy' then great - we might save some cash to spend on the NHS and win a few more Eurovision Song Contests!
I really hope this will be a step change in the current British military crusade mentality - and yes, if we can now scale down our military inventory to reflect our new 'policy' then great - we might save some cash to spend on the NHS and win a few more Eurovision Song Contests!
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I just saw a piece on RT saying that neither Jordon, Iraq or Egypt will allow military action against Syria to be launched from bases in their nations or over flights of their territory.
My faith in MPs has been restored a little, I am proud of this country for not doing anything. I hope the French people can stop Hollander and the American people can stop Obama.
Even though Labour did the right thing, what a bunch of hypocrites they are. I suppose one can say they went with public opinion which is a good thing. But I don't like them and never will. Good seeing the look on some of the Tory faces though, ha ha!
My faith in MPs has been restored a little, I am proud of this country for not doing anything. I hope the French people can stop Hollander and the American people can stop Obama.
Even though Labour did the right thing, what a bunch of hypocrites they are. I suppose one can say they went with public opinion which is a good thing. But I don't like them and never will. Good seeing the look on some of the Tory faces though, ha ha!
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Never thought I would see the day when MP's actually did something right...for whatever reason.
'Call me Dave' is well out of touch with popular opinion.
'Call me Dave' is well out of touch with popular opinion.
Yep - shame they didn't have the moral conviction to do the same 10 years or so ago.
America has got itself in a proper tangle over this. I can quite imagine the conversations with their Sunni allies in the ME "So you overthrew the Iraqi regime for allegedly possessing WMD, and supported the overthrow of Gaddafi who was just about to start the industrial slaughter of his people, yet in Syria, where Assad is flagrantly using WMD and killing his people in their 10s of thousands, you decide to what, exactly?" The ghosts of of previous justifications loom large...
America has got itself in a proper tangle over this. I can quite imagine the conversations with their Sunni allies in the ME "So you overthrew the Iraqi regime for allegedly possessing WMD, and supported the overthrow of Gaddafi who was just about to start the industrial slaughter of his people, yet in Syria, where Assad is flagrantly using WMD and killing his people in their 10s of thousands, you decide to what, exactly?" The ghosts of of previous justifications loom large...
yet in Syria, where Assad is flagrantly using WMD and killing his people in their 10s of thousands
Whatever your feelings about victories for democracy etc there isn't any cause whatsoever to feel happy. Completely innocent non-radical people are going to be killed and one of two awful choices will eventually win by attrition because they are the only ones who have backers.
If this level of evidence was available 10+ years ago, do you think the US et al would have leapt upon it, even if there was even a degree of uncertainty? Its far more compelling than anything they/we came up with at that time.
BTW I said 'and' not 'to' i.e. making the connection between Iraq and Libya.
BTW I said 'and' not 'to' i.e. making the connection between Iraq and Libya.
Just wondering why Saudi just doesn't just march on in to Syria, which the help of the gulf states? They didn't hesitate when Bahrain looked like it was going to wobble. Bunch of weeners if you ask me, scared of a fight - WTF did they buy all that shiny kit for?
Editted to add: surely they could collectively fund a western private military endeavor, backed by their air forces. I'm sure the likes of Aegis, KBR etc would happily oblige.
Editted to add: surely they could collectively fund a western private military endeavor, backed by their air forces. I'm sure the likes of Aegis, KBR etc would happily oblige.
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Originally Posted by hanoijane
You may well consider him [Galloway] to be so, but if you'd followed his advice you wouldn't have been part of the stunningly successful Iraq adventure, would you?
If we had followed anything he said, we’d have had British troops disobeying orders and foreign fighters rising up against British Forces in Iraq.
You want me to follow advice from someone who is reported to have said:
“I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life.”
"Hezbollah has never been a terrorist organization!"
That a suicide bomb attack on the British Prime Minister“would be morally justified.”
To Saddam Hussein “Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability”.
Of Assad, “For me he is the last Arab ruler, and Syria is the last Arab country”.
I think I’ll seek council otherwhere."Hezbollah has never been a terrorist organization!"
That a suicide bomb attack on the British Prime Minister“would be morally justified.”
To Saddam Hussein “Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability”.
Of Assad, “For me he is the last Arab ruler, and Syria is the last Arab country”.
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We have shed enough blood in the name of Arab/Islamic democracy and our leaders have not yet fathomed out the fact that what exists is not a political problem which can be solved by political plus military means. The problem is CULTURE - whoever rules in Damascus will have come from the same brutal sectarian,tribal background as the previous incumbent.After about 20 years in the M.E.I came to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can be done by outsiders short of killing off the whole population and starting again.It will take generations to make a difference,leave the buggers to get on with it.
MPs voted under the voice of the British Public the news tells us?
Well, after all the unwanted immigration caused by the last wretched Labour lot, one wonders 'who' that great British Public now is? We have been infected with European queasiness for conflict by allowing an open borders policy. This is just the start of the slow erosion of the British way of life just to appease politicians' egotistical whims...
Well, after all the unwanted immigration caused by the last wretched Labour lot, one wonders 'who' that great British Public now is? We have been infected with European queasiness for conflict by allowing an open borders policy. This is just the start of the slow erosion of the British way of life just to appease politicians' egotistical whims...
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Lets write a letter to Syria telling them we are very very cross. Seems to be all we are capable of.
Someone remind me how much oil Syria produces for the world market?
Someone remind me how much oil Syria produces for the world market?
