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Here it comes: Syria

Old 4th Sep 2013, 04:38
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Damn Beags.....you and McCain have a lot in common.

Senility must afflict many of his generation these days.

Steady on old fellow.....before you post you need to jot down some notes while you read the posts here so you can remember what it was you read in the past few minutes as your short term memory seems to be tracking a bit slower than your typing skills.

I am not aware of a single American that has posted anything that would even remotely support any kind of military action against Syria.

As has been pointed out to you.....the Cowboy as you call him has been out of office for over Five years....where you been?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 04:45
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Many died on both sides liberating some windswept islands, yet Beag's is quite comfy dredging up those memories.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 04:51
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"Some of you lot really are itching for another war, it seems....."

Actually Beags, this is probably one of the first times in my life
I am in the don't go to war camp.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 05:01
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Yes, the UK went to war to repel invasion of its territorial soil - even though ownership is in dispute. We also went war in 1991 to repel an unlawful invasion of an ally.

But GW2 and Afghanistan have had about as much legitimacy and success as did the US war in Viet Nam.

As for Syria, why isn't Obama pressing for all-party talks at the UN?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 05:51
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And me in NZ is against it too
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 06:49
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I see there is now an AIM. Always good if you are going to start a war.

According to the Torygraph, the revered leader says 'we will strike at Syria to end war'.

Now the US is firmly on the side of the opposition - not rebels I note - end the conflict and free them from the terrible civil war.

Hail the would be conquering hero.

Once Job Done

what next?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:13
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A summary of the intelligence: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/04/wo...nted=1&_r=1&hp

A post mortem of Iraq bunker busting (which was largely ineffective) lead to the development of the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) GBU-57A/B, a 30 ton bomb that can only be carried by the B2.

This is a very important interim weapon because most high value targets in North Korea and Iran are deep underground.

So America is very likely to use this weapon, which means using B2s. Firstly to get Assad's bunkers. Secondly to send a message to the world about this capability. And thirdly to see how it works in the real world.

MOP in B2:

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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:15
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You have GOT to be kidding.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:37
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Eclectic is an aviation onanist. Assad has already dispersed his assets among civilian population centres, thereby maximising the civilian loss of life an attack will cause for the purpose of propaganda.

I hope you all have thick blankets thiS winter for when Putin turned off Europes gas supplies.

The current situation reminds me of August 1914, complete with jingoistic crap from those who think this is some great adventure that they can vicariously share.


As a P.S., what happens if Putin moves an air defence regiment to Damascus next week? What would the cheese eating surrender monkeys on the quai Dorsey do then?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:51
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Blankets?

In these sophisticated isles, we have been under duvets for 50 years.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:53
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Merde their pantaloons peut-Ítre?

I agree - Eclectic can you leave the war porn to the gun runners?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:53
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Diego Garcia is much closer to Syria than Guam... and B-52s and B-1s were based there during Desert Storm and the Afghan & Iraqi primary campaigns.
Very true - but for our American cousins, if you have any maps that stretch outside of CONUS, you may notice that DG is a British Territory. In other words, it may not be useable this time round.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:57
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I like this, well thought through, sobering conclusion.

Syria: Sitrep
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:12
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'It began when it was revealed that Syrian government military forces used chemical weapons in Damascus during a military operation on August 21, 2013.'

Why read on ORAC?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:14
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Why read on ORAC?
Read it to the end and find out....
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:26
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Yeah okay... thanks.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:39
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The article would also appear to be a little out of date. Is Akrotiri going to be available?

And the latest reports say that the mission if to stop the war which requires rather more than the limited chastisement previously discussed.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:39
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Forensic examination of the CW attack: SYRIA: [PUBLIC] Geolocation of alleged chemical rockets in East Ghouta - August 28 - StoryfulPro

Citizen journalism at its best.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:31
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Busting bunkers for the sake of busting bunkers is pointless.

As I have said and others, Assad has almost certainly dispersed
everything in Syria.

I can't honestly see that being used on a low value target
unless the US has a high value target in mind.

We will see in a week or two.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:47
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Eclectic - wouldn't it be very surprising if they sent a B2 in on an overflight?
Maybe a standoff launch of cruise missiles - but to risk such a high value aircraft to drop a MOAB?
Just an observation from the comfort of my armchair...
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