Here it comes: Syria
Eclectic, did you forget that chunk of Iran for the Kurds? 
in this morning's news, we have the report of some bizarre behavior by the leader of one of the Islamic faction's the not quite famous (until this morning's news coverage) Omar al-Farouq Brigade ...
Given that the soldier was already dead, I am not sure if this constitutes an atrocity, but it sure is a great way to get people to condemn you and your side.
Abu, you may regret this little stunt. You wanted attention, I think you'll get it ... and maybe not the kind you were looking for.
A Syrian rebel commander has been caught on video cutting out the heart of a soldier and biting into it, Human Rights Watch said late Monday.
Amateur video posted online shows a man cutting into the dead solider's torso and removing his liver and heart. The New York-based rights group identified the man as Abu Sakkar, a founder of the rebel Omar al-Farouq Brigade.
In the video, which prompted outrage on all sides of the country’s deadly
civil war, the man says: "I swear to God we will eat your hearts and your
livers, you soldiers of Bashar the dog,”according to HRW.
Amateur video posted online shows a man cutting into the dead solider's torso and removing his liver and heart. The New York-based rights group identified the man as Abu Sakkar, a founder of the rebel Omar al-Farouq Brigade.
In the video, which prompted outrage on all sides of the country’s deadly
civil war, the man says: "I swear to God we will eat your hearts and your
livers, you soldiers of Bashar the dog,”according to HRW.
Abu, you may regret this little stunt. You wanted attention, I think you'll get it ... and maybe not the kind you were looking for.
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I think desecration of dead bodies is a war crime...or maybe at worst against the Geneva Convention.
I seem to recall a case of a Para making a necklace of ears from dead Argies immediately after some of the engagements had finished. I think he got in trouble for that...
I seem to recall a case of a Para making a necklace of ears from dead Argies immediately after some of the engagements had finished. I think he got in trouble for that...
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Is cutting the heart out of a corpse and eating it any worse that blowing people up with a missile from a UAV piloted from an air conditioned room thousands of miles away? Or shooting up insurgents from a mile out with 30mm ammo fired from the nose of an Apache? Limbs still get ripped from torsos, people are decapitated in the process and innocents caught in the mix.
Eclectic: to some people, desecration of a corpse is offensive for a variety of reasons. Your attempt at moral equivalence misses the point.
Whomever died, and however he died, he's dead. The civil war in Syria is terrible enough.
To then take the trouble to descerate the corpse for ideological purpose, or for some act of showmanship, is a different sort of horror, with different motivations than fighting in a war.
Whomever died, and however he died, he's dead. The civil war in Syria is terrible enough.
To then take the trouble to descerate the corpse for ideological purpose, or for some act of showmanship, is a different sort of horror, with different motivations than fighting in a war.
Is cutting the heart out of a corpse and eating it any worse than blowing people up with a missile...
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Elements of Crimes
International Criminal Court
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Article 8 (2) (b) (xxi)
War crime of outrages upon personal dignity
Elements
1. The perpetrator humiliated, degraded or otherwise violated the dignity of one or
more persons.49
2. The severity of the humiliation, degradation or other violation was of such degree as
to be generally recognized as an outrage upon personal dignity.
3. The conduct took place in the context of and was associated with an international
armed conflict.
4. The perpetrator was aware of factual circumstances that established the existence of
an armed conflict.
War crime of outrages upon personal dignity
Elements
1. The perpetrator humiliated, degraded or otherwise violated the dignity of one or
more persons.49
2. The severity of the humiliation, degradation or other violation was of such degree as
to be generally recognized as an outrage upon personal dignity.
3. The conduct took place in the context of and was associated with an international
armed conflict.
4. The perpetrator was aware of factual circumstances that established the existence of
an armed conflict.
49 For this crime, “persons” can include dead persons. It is understood that the victim need not personally be
aware of the existence of the humiliation or degradation or other violation. This element takes into account
relevant aspects of the cultural background of the victim.
aware of the existence of the humiliation or degradation or other violation. This element takes into account
relevant aspects of the cultural background of the victim.
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It appears that this incident was instigated by the perpetrator looking at was on his victim's phone. There he found video of Alawites abusing Sunni women.
“We opened his cell phone and I found a clip of a woman and her two daughters fully naked, and he was humiliating them”
Syrian rebel defends eating dead soldier's organ as revenge - Telegraph
“We opened his cell phone and I found a clip of a woman and her two daughters fully naked, and he was humiliating them”
Syrian rebel defends eating dead soldier's organ as revenge - Telegraph
Eclectic, are you defending this desecration as justifiable? 
Wry thought: cell phones cams keep causing people grief, even after they are dead!
Wry thought: cell phones cams keep causing people grief, even after they are dead!
An interesting piece on what got this Syria civil war going, a few years back.
Without Water, Revolution (Written by Tom Friedman, NYT))
Caveat: Friedman is full of crap as often as not, but he may be on to something here.
He sees the war through the prism of draught, and of the government's poor water policy. In Texas, we have similar issues at hand with the boom in the Eagle Ford Shale region, which also has ground water issues in an agricultural region. Eerie parallel ...
Comment on the sectarian nature of the civil war, in contrast to the war for independence from France? The motto then:
That attitude seems to no longer be popular.
This of course isn't the only point of view on this civil war, but it informs somewhat the mechanism by which so much of the population was open to radicalization: despot exploits people and resources, and massive move from rural to urban settings by a displaced population.
Recipe for revolt.
Without Water, Revolution (Written by Tom Friedman, NYT))
Caveat: Friedman is full of crap as often as not, but he may be on to something here.
He sees the war through the prism of draught, and of the government's poor water policy. In Texas, we have similar issues at hand with the boom in the Eagle Ford Shale region, which also has ground water issues in an agricultural region. Eerie parallel ...
“The drought did not cause Syria’s civil war,” said the Syrian economist Samir Aita, but, he added, the failure of the government to respond to the drought played a huge role in fueling the uprising. What happened, Aita explained, was that after Assad took over in 2000 he opened up the regulated agricultural sector in Syria for big farmers, many of them government cronies, to buy up land and drill as much water as they wanted, eventually severely diminishing the water table. This began driving small farmers off the land into towns, where they had to scrounge for work.
Then, between 2006 and 2011, some 60 percent of Syria’s land mass was ravaged by the drought and, with the water table already too low and river irrigation shrunken, it wiped out the livelihoods of 800,000 Syrian farmers and herders, the United Nations reported.
“State and government was invented in this part of the world, in ancient Mesopotamia, precisely to manage irrigation and crop growing,” said Aita, “and Assad failed in that basic task.”
The best jobs in Hasakah Province, Syria’s oil-producing region, were with the oil companies. But drought refugees, virtually all of whom were Sunni Muslims, could only dream of getting hired there. “Most of those jobs went to Alawites from Tartous and Latakia,” said Zakaria, referring to the minority sect to which President Assad belongs and which is concentrated in these coastal cities. “It made people even more angry. The best jobs on our lands in our province were not for us, but for people who come from outside.”
“Religion is for God, and the country is for everyone.”
This of course isn't the only point of view on this civil war, but it informs somewhat the mechanism by which so much of the population was open to radicalization: despot exploits people and resources, and massive move from rural to urban settings by a displaced population.
Recipe for revolt.
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with the number of islamist suufi nutters getting turned into worm food, including a large influx of the most extreme black flag waving aq, supporting both sides gets my vote. At the very best, we should just leave them to it. from previous footage, its oretty obvious these people want to live on a sixth century battlefield, consuming human organs. why should i risk my neck to defend the indefensible?
the Phrophet made it pretty clear what would happen to those engaging in fitna.
the Phrophet made it pretty clear what would happen to those engaging in fitna.
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Luckiest rebels out there, watch the anti tank missile just clear the turret at about 1.12 mins
Video: Missile Misses Tank by Inches - Middle East - News - Israel National News
Video: Missile Misses Tank by Inches - Middle East - News - Israel National News
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Close shave. I wonder if the tank crew was shooting at the anti tank missile firing position. Some AT weapons leave a pretty large visual signature when they go off.
Seems like FSA now getting zero support as Assad having weathered the storm and been resupplied and retrained the spring campaign is winning back lost territory.
Benghazi is potentially having a direct impact as US pulls its supply lines and the other GCC states realising the $$$$ don't all go that far.
The fact that native population haven't joined up in their millions pretty much gives an end game which is unlikely to be pleasant and scores will be settled.
Benghazi is potentially having a direct impact as US pulls its supply lines and the other GCC states realising the $$$$ don't all go that far.
The fact that native population haven't joined up in their millions pretty much gives an end game which is unlikely to be pleasant and scores will be settled.
Looks like the Israelis and Syrians are getting on each others' nerves near Golan ... more fun.
Israel and Syria clash on Golan Heights cease-fire line - World News
News this morning seems to confirm, from Hezbollah and Syrian sources, the Hezbollah and Syria are "shoulder to shoulder" in a few fights in central/west Syria.
Not pleased to see that ...
Israel and Syria clash on Golan Heights cease-fire line - World News
News this morning seems to confirm, from Hezbollah and Syrian sources, the Hezbollah and Syria are "shoulder to shoulder" in a few fights in central/west Syria.
Not pleased to see that ...
