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Here it comes: Syria

Old 11th Apr 2018, 17:30
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Delilah?

F-16 carries 2, F-15I should be able to carry 4.


"Why, why, why, Delilah?"


It's not the only one recently developed by smart guys in the desert.


This one also seems to be quite effective, and F-15, F-16 and even MiG-29 can carry 4 of them:


IAI Reveals New Air-to-Ground Missile | Israel Defense
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 17:47
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An ARM with an attack profile seems similar to the ALARM, but without a loiter capability. Not sure I’d expect the Syrians to intercept them, rather switch their radars off.

The Israel targets are also usually storage depots or convoys used by the Iranians to transfer missiles to Hezbollah - not the Syrian AD system.
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Old 11th Apr 2018, 21:11
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I see that the megalomaniac idiot has been making warmongering threats on Twitter again.

Is there no limit to his crass behaviour?

Mostly to divert attention from the FBI and lawyers investigating his own behaviour, perhaps?
Of course not - no limits at all. Except, a 2 term limit.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 04:01
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@GlobalNav: I don't see him getting a second term. His own party is getting weary of his act ... and I'll suggest that they are fully aware that he isn't of their party and never was. He is of the Trump party. Whatever show/action, on whatever stage, that he sees as promoting the Trump brand he'll undertake. Trade? War? Immigration? Treaties? Deals? Whatever he thinks makes him look good.

They (GOP congress types) are having morning after regrets, and no cigarette. The night before (as it were) if you watched the GOP primaries, they had asked him if he'd "respect them in the morning" and he made clear that "he didn't respect them now." And they still went to bed with him.

PJ O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores, brought to life.
It is disturbing to see that these folks have the power to declare war, while he (Trump) has war powers that can be exercised short of a war declaration. Lots of them, and about 60 years of precedent. Uncomfortable days ahead.

Our winged brethren are going to be sent forth as one more act for this show: in the theater of the absurd. Blood sport, in a curious version of the game.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 05:17
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Delilah. Good call Orac. Thank you
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 05:47
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(The US must have already clobbered Syria, stealthily. Assad denies it, of course, and the Russians never saw anything. And the whole exercise did not cost the US taxpayer a single penny.)
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 06:10
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Theresa May prepares Britain to launch assault on Assad regime in Syria

Theresa May has cleared the way for Britain to join a US-led military attack on Syria within days after national security advisers presented new evidence blaming President Assad for the “barbaric” gas attack in Douma.

The prime minister is recalling cabinet ministers from their Easter break to seek approval today. She is set to defy calls, including from Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, to follow recent convention and allow MPs a vote.... Senior ministers summoned to this afternoon’s emergency cabinet will be asked to “consider the next steps”, according to a Downing Street source. Mrs May is likely to make the case for military action on the basis that it is necessary to deter future gas attacks......

Royal Navy attack submarines, armed with cruise missiles, are understood to be moving into range from this evening to be ready to take part in a strike on Syria. A Type 45 destroyer is also in the Mediterranean on a routine deployment but could be manoeuvred to participate. HMS Duncan is fitted with an air defence missile system able to blast incoming Russian missiles. RAF fast jets operating from Cyprus are also ready for action. “We have planes on the tarmac in Akrotiri,” a Whitehall source said. “We are ready.”.....
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 06:48
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"“We have planes on the tarmac in Akrotiri,” a Whitehall source said. “We are ready.”...."

If I was Assad I 'd tell the Govt of Cyprus that any strike from Akrotiri would mean Syria would retaliate - and there might well be collateral casualties in the local population...

Not only would it murder the tourist trade it would almost certainly stir up calls to close the bases........... and I don't think we really want that do we??
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 06:56
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Given much of Putin's (and his cronies) wealth is said to be channelled through Cyprus, that may not be decision he would support.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7732326.html
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 07:13
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"“We have planes on the tarmac in Akrotiri,” a Whitehall source said. “We are ready.”...."

If I was Assad I 'd tell the Govt of Cyprus that any strike from Akrotiri would mean Syria would retaliate - and there might well be collateral casualties in the local population...

Not only would it murder the tourist trade it would almost certainly stir up calls to close the bases........... and I don't think we really want that do we??
Out of curiosity, does the government of Cyprus need to give permission for UK forces to launch an attack from bases on the island?

The reason I ask, is that Turkey is an ally of Russia and Iran in Syria hence on the side of the current regime. It’s possible that Nicosia may not want to provoke the Turks especially if they are concerned at the possibility of a wider regional conflict.


On a seperate note,it's being reported that most of the Russian naval assets in Tartus have deployed to sea


https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...rikes-on-syria


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Old 12th Apr 2018, 07:23
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One hopes that any so-called evidence the spooks have found is unequivocal, unlike the Iraqi-WMD lies...

Much as I dislike him, Corbyn is right on this occasion. Defying the calls for MPs to have a vote ought to lead to Mother MayDay's downfall following a vote of no confidence in what passes for her government.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 07:30
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The territory of the Republic of Cyprus shall comprise the Island of Cyprus,
together with the islands lying off its coast, with the exception of the two areas
defined in Annex A to this Treaty, which areas shall remain under the sovereignty of
the United Kingdom. These areas are in this Treaty and its Annexes referred to as the
Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area.
Article 2
(1) The Republic of Cyprus shall accord to the United Kingdom the rights set
forth in Annex B to this Treaty.
(2) The Republic of Cyprus shall co-operate fully with the United Kingdom to
ensure the security and effective operation of the military bases situated in the
Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area, and the full
enjoyment by the United Kingdom of the rights conferred by this Treaty.

https://www.mfa.gr/images/docs/kypri...ablishment.pdf
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 07:58
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Turkey is an ally of Russia and Iran in Syria hence on the side of the current regime.
That’s a very long way from the truth. Until fairly recently Turkey was actively opposed to Iran and the Assad regime for 2 main reasons: one, the extension of Iranian (Shi’a) influence westwards stymies Erdogan’s aim of reestablishing an Ottoman-style (Sunni) influence over the region. Two, more pressingly the Assad regime tolerated the presence of the Kurdish groups with which Turkey has long been obsessed. Turkey’s active opposition to the Assad regime has been suspended in response to 2 short-term factors only: one, a desire to avoid friction with Russia (certainly falling short of an alliance, evidenced by continued US and UK access to Turkish airspace) and two, the current inability of the Assad regime to do anything to prevent Turkey’s new Kurd-suppressing activities in northern Syria. As and when these short-term factors subside, the strategic reasons for Erdogan to oppose Assad will reassert themselves. I can’t see him being anything but happy for the West to chip away at what is essentially Iranian power.

It’s true that there are risks to using Akrotiri as a base for striking Syria, but not from Turkey IMHO. I would be far more worried about what political trouble the Russians could stir up in the RoC. I can’t see them attacking but some ‘threatening’ westbound sortie profiles out of Syria would quickly stir up a hornet’s nest.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 08:23
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Apologies if it’s previously been posted,

This site might be of interest, pulling “crowd sourced” publically available information together and presenting in on a map.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

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Old 12th Apr 2018, 08:26
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Grauniad: “Military officials in all three capitals insisted the bomb had been dropped from one of two Syrian government helicopters that had taken off from the Dumayr airbase north of Douma 30 minutes earlier. Its flight path was mapped.“.....

Image from 2014 - but I doubt plans have changed much.....



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Old 12th Apr 2018, 08:50
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One hopes that any so-called evidence the spooks have found is unequivocal, unlike the Iraqi-WMD lies...

Much as I dislike him, Corbyn is right on this occasion. Defying the calls for MPs to have a vote ought to lead to Mother MayDay's downfall following a vote of no confidence in what passes for her government.
She can't win in your eyes can she beagle, Soviet nerve agent thrown around English town (You know the stuff Putin personally assured the monitors had been disposed off) what do you think the PM should have done then, just said **** it and rolled over for the soviet bear?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 09:30
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GR, with BEagle on this. The more I see that chemical decontamination video the more false it seems.

When doused in an unknown chemical one's first reaction is to strip off your clothes and then douse with water.

In the video was this a second wash down? Those doing the washing took no precautions against contamination.

Now it should not be a case of untrained and unknowing civilians treating the casualties, chemical has supposedly been in use in the region for years. They should be aware of precautions.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 09:35
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Grauniad: “Military officials in all three capitals insisted the bomb had been dropped from one of two Syrian government helicopters that had taken off from the Dumayr airbase north of Douma 30 minutes earlier. Its flight path was mapped.“.....

Flight path on the map actually means nothing. As it already happened several times in the past, as soon as syrian jihaddists, being at the edge of survival, see any plane in the sky (Syrian, Russian), they blow up a barrel with chemicals on the ground and start shouting about "bombing". Then immediately arrives poorly staged "theatre" with clowns such as "white helmets" and the shout is being amplified.

Some 40 tons of chemicals have been totally found on the territories that were freed from terrorists, but non of the "western criers" arrived to see them.

And that particular recent case in the Douma city/village seems even more questionable. A question arises whether there was any barrel at all.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 09:54
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GR, with BEagle on this. The more I see that chemical decontamination video the more false it seems.

When doused in an unknown chemical one's first reaction is to strip off your clothes and then douse with water.

In the video was this a second wash down? Those doing the washing took no precautions against contamination.

Now it should not be a case of untrained and unknowing civilians treating the casualties, chemical has supposedly been in use in the region for years. They should be aware of precautions.
what video? what was the official advice?? "wash your clothes"???

TBH [and fair] WHAT CIVIL DEFENCE ORGANISATION is there to organise a response.

I have a feeling that making the local population AWARE of the RISKS at PD has not been a priority for the Civil Service.

Would be interesting to see what the actual POLICY is both at PD and the local authorities. Probably lain dormant for many years.....you know how it is, no need to upset people, we haven't the budget etc, etc.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 10:20
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glad rag, any 'evidence' must be beyond any doubt whatsoever. That Novichok was used in Salisbury might have been confirmed by Porton Down specialists, but where is the smoking gun of state involvement?

Quite plausible that 'someone' obtained the substance without the knowledge of the Russian state, but why on earth Russia hasn't been allowed to become involved in the investigation? I listen to the bluster from that bag of wind who is allegedly our Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs with despair and haven't trusted a single utterance from him ever since his flawed propaganda at the time of the 2016 plebiscite.

If someone uses something as a weapon, you need 100% proof before considering action. That's the same whether the weapon is stolen nerve agent, a barrel of bleach or whatever.

If Mother MayDay denies MPs a vote after having presented whatever evidence she claims to have, she must face a vote of no confidence.
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