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Old 14th Jun 2013, 19:51
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Start getting those tents back up at Incerlik, Op Deny Assad? Unless, of course the Turks are having their own civil war by then.
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Old 14th Jun 2013, 20:48
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I'm wondering if LCRA might not be a more logical "aircraft carrier" for both our and our US allies air fleets, as they maintain the "Air superiority"espoused by McCain. Turkey seems to have enough problems at the moment. US basing in Israel is also an option. If LCRA was used what do we think the Cypriots might think of incoming missiles, aimed at denying the airfield to our Air Force? It's all a "buggers muddle" to me. Of course, our leaders will have this all thought out by now !!!

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Old 15th Jun 2013, 02:11
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LW50, regail us of what you're suggesting he left out.
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Old 15th Jun 2013, 06:37
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It's "regale" DM not "regail".

It means to entertain lavishly with food and drink. If only everyone could do that with all their so-called enemies!

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Old 15th Jun 2013, 07:29
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If we arm the FSA there will be somebody regaling......recent past experiance has shown some 'freedom fighters' will head from bank to bank, museum to museum etc.
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Old 15th Jun 2013, 08:40
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I agree with many of the posters, that we should not be involved in this adventure which will only arm our future enemies.
Our only hope is if the Russians step in and say stop, or else.
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Old 15th Jun 2013, 17:42
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Question Little support from US citizens-poll

NBC/WSJ poll: Americans oppose intervention in Syria - First Read
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Old 15th Jun 2013, 23:19
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SOS, thanks for clarifying, my response has 3 fs in it.
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Old 16th Jun 2013, 08:51
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see the Americans are leaving their F-16's and Patriots in Jordan "just in case"
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Old 16th Jun 2013, 14:08
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Rebel/Sunni with MANPAD



After the fall of Ghaddafi arms flooded out of Libya and were used by rebels as diversely located as Mali and Sinai.
In Syria the Rebels have captured these MANPADs when they have overrun government bases. What is to prevent these weapons being smuggled out of Syria into the West to be used at a civil airport near you?
And if we provide the extra MANPADs and ATGMs the Rebels are asking for doesn't that just increase the probability of weapons being smuggled out? An ATGM could make a mess of a high value city centre building.
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Old 16th Jun 2013, 21:54
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I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with a Russian leader instead of our own, and I am increasingly depressed with the actions of the leadership of our traditional friends. It appears that we could well walking into a total disaster. Ronnie Reagan's oft quoted remark is particularly apt " Don't just do something, stand there!"
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Old 16th Jun 2013, 22:22
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Lets face it, if it wasn't for western and eastern greed and the fact we armed them all in the first place they would still be riding around on camels waving swords, and they'd all be armed equally.

To arm any side is sheer lunacy, as for Chemical Weapons, didn't seem to bother the west when Saddam was killing the Kurds with them, but then he was delivering the oil.

We will never learn, we can put our noses in other people's wars and arm them whist at the same time stripping our military of their assets.

In a strange way i wish the Cold War would come back, because there were checks and balances, the Americans would not have dared invade any countries in the Middle East as they knew that it could trigger a Third World War, worked both ways...sadly that check has gone.

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Old 17th Jun 2013, 10:33
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So did Russia deliver those S-300/SA-10 to Syria or not?

Jerusalem Post: IDF not commenting on report Israel attacked Syrian airport

The IDF was not commenting on a report on a Syrian TV station associated with the rebel forces that Israel attacked on Sunday night the military airbase Al-Miza, West of Damascus, Israel Radio reported. The report noted that a rebel organization had taken responsibility for the attack after the explosion to took place on Sunday night.

The TV station reported that Israel bombed advanced weapons and radar systems that were recently brought to the airport, according to Israel Radio.

Eye witnesses said that the explosions were large and that neither the Assad regime nor the rebels had the capability to create explosions of such a magnitude.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 12:58
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I wonder how much of this talk is being driven by the House of Saud and the Qataris? No doubt they are increasingly worried about being humiliated by Assad - he clearly has the upper hand, courtesy of Hezbollah.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 13:17
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If the reports this morning are accurate then 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards are on their way to Syria to help support Assad. Its a weird world when I look on such people as being the ''good guys''. But compared to the other side they may almost be a bunch of caring liberals!

The earlier post about the Cold War was a good one. Maybe soon China will offer a balance to the US. With Russia and India thrown into the equation things get even more complicated.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 14:08
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Syria is a multiple proxy war.
Between Sunni (Saudi & Qatar) and Shia (Iran)
Between America/UK/France and Russia.
Between Israel and Hezbollah/ Iran.
Between Jihadists/Salafists and moderate Islam.
Between Qatar and Russia for European gas supplies.
+probably more!
Plus the two big regional powers (Turkey and Israel) are flexing their muscles to show how important they are. And to choose the future shape of a neighbour country.
Plus the Kurds are trying to build a greater Kurdistan nation.

Then there is the co-operation between the security services of Russia, NATO and Israel to try and control extremist Islamic terrorists, chemical weapons and MANPADs.
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 17:09
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Rebels-One, tank crew- Zero.

These things really burn.

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Old 17th Jun 2013, 19:07
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G8 summit begins: Vladimir Putin accuses David Cameron of betraying humanitarian values by supporting Syrian rebels - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
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Iran to send 4,000 troops to aid President Assad forces in Syria - Middle East - World - The Independent
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Old 17th Jun 2013, 19:39
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There are already 8,000 Saudis fighting in Syria on the side of the rebels.
70 went back to Saudi recently in body bags. Including 4 women!

Bodies of 70 Saudi fighters return from Syria: Report - Tehran Times
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