Interesting WWII stuff - Some good camera footage
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Interesting WWII stuff - Some good camera footage
My A/C recognition may be a bit suspect these days - but I think I saw at least two "Blue on Blue" (A Spit & a Mossy) - but I guess its artistic licence...
Those interested will see I have removed the first "tongue in cheek" sentence of my original post. I apologise if it offended anyone.
Those interested will see I have removed the first "tongue in cheek" sentence of my original post. I apologise if it offended anyone.
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Be picking the grass out of the radiators at 29:40, plus the the "kill" at 31:12 looks a bit "allied".
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Blue on Blue
Blue on blue was most usual! 602 Sqn spitfires from Drem shot down two of 44 Sqn's Hampdens in December 1939 despite recognition flares being fired - sadly, one crew member lost his life. And, at the risk of thread drift - Adrian Warburton ordered his gunner to shoot down a Malta based Hurricane that persisted in attacking his Glen Martin on return from a mission. The gunner duly obliged although I do not remember whether this "kill" is one of the 9 accredited to Warburton. Interestingly, both Bader and Gibson (from the same school as Warburton) were also probable victims of Blue on Blue.
Great! Now I've got hours in the cine room with the old QWI gizmo to look forward to. Spotted a few 'line high', 'angle off fouls', 'inside min range', 'dive angle' and 'relaxing through the burst' already.
Seriously, though, some great footage. Great to see!
Seriously, though, some great footage. Great to see!
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Guess it was one that never made it home
Think I spotted a PRU Mossie on one airfield too. Definitely one Spit and a Mossie copped it air-to-air. Still in all the chaos and confusion mistakes happen when you have to make a split decision.
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Could have been a much better film had John Wayne's heroic exploits been included. Such a missed opportunity.
Where on earth were RAF Fighter Command's Spitfires, Hurricanes, Tyhoons, Mosquitos, et al??? I have always understood that a chap in a RAF air(o)plane zapped Rommel's car, not a 'boy from Boise' Idaho or downtown Denver..
Where on earth were RAF Fighter Command's Spitfires, Hurricanes, Tyhoons, Mosquitos, et al??? I have always understood that a chap in a RAF air(o)plane zapped Rommel's car, not a 'boy from Boise' Idaho or downtown Denver..
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What a fantastic film. Lovely stuff, filmed by Americans and for Americans during a fight far from home, which many of them weren't awfully keen on joining in on in the first place. Genuinely stirring stuff, especially if viewed in the context of the time it was put together.
Can we leave out the sad little anti-Yank jibes please? It's embarrassing. This isn't a film about Fighter Command, British Propaganda or British air power at all.
Thanks lots.
Can we leave out the sad little anti-Yank jibes please? It's embarrassing. This isn't a film about Fighter Command, British Propaganda or British air power at all.
Thanks lots.
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Can we leave out the sad little anti-Yank jibes please? It's embarrassing.
Lets not forget that some 6,700 Americans were accepted for RAF or RCAF service prior to the USA entering the war. By the time the US entered the fray some 100 American pilots had been killed, were missing, or POWs.
Where on earth were RAF Fighter Command's Spitfires, Hurricanes, Tyhoons, Mosquitos, et al???
Folks....the film was made by the US Army for consumption by the US Army primarily. It did not claim the US Army had "Won" the War single handed.....as we all know the RAF did that.
Give it a frigging break and enjoy the film. This is the Military Aircrew Forum.....not the RAF Forum as some seem to think.
You want to see your side's equivalent...post it.
Shame most of you that hold that attitude were not around to know what the real situation was in those days. Perhaps a walk up the access ramp to the American Hangar at Duxford might give you a small hint as to the price we paid to see the end of the Second War in Europe that we got involved in fighting.
I suppose there is a reason there is an American Hangar at Duxford....that stems from our participation in that War.
I am having Lunch today with a neighbor who flew Lanc's out of Teeside with the RCAF....sadly he is very much on the decline. He was flying combat before his Country entered the War...and is very much my Hero....who I looked up to as a Role Model when I was growing up and still do. He is so very typical of those who served in those years.
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I'm 100% behind SASless on that. The USAAC made some excellent morale boosting filns during the war. The original 'Memphis Belle' and a film about Thunderbolts in Italy are two I remember well. The Britsh never could make films like that; their's were fictional and done in studios.
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The Britsh never could make films like that; their's were fictional and done
in studios.
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Night Bombers was made by the then station commander of RAF Hemswell who made it entirely on his own colour movie camera. He did this in a private capacity making use of his official position at a time when all private photography of anything military was strictly forbidden.
A film such as this should have been officially sanctioned and shot, but wasn't.
Polecat
A film such as this should have been officially sanctioned and shot, but wasn't.
Polecat