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Old 3rd Feb 2013, 16:09
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Smile 8mm film

I'm working on it - got a scanner
Anyone know where I could get an 8mm Vinten black and white film developed ? I've got an exposed radar cassette but I think Vinten have gone out of business
thanks Courtney for the reminder about the AJB7
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Or the AJB7 by selecting STBY.
Abba Jabba 7 it was on my course.

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Originally Posted by Scruffy Fanny
You need to get out more!
I take your point!
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As a slight thread drift...

In the war fit - 4 sparrows/skyflash and 4 winders how common was it to fit the gunpod.

Did crews like having the gun fitted or would they prefer the jet to be cleaner or carry a centre line tank instead?
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Scruffy,

As your Vinten film is pretty old, it may be past its sell-by date. See if an on-line company can handle 8mm b&w and get it processed as soon as you can. If you need help converting it to vid, let me know. I've got some kit and may be able to help.

Of course, that's only if it's not classified.
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Typerated,

The "combat fit" was three tanks and 8 missiles. We flew two tanks, 8 missiles and gun in the Falklands and very occasional other places, but in the main (including QRA) it was centerline tank rahter than gun.
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Courtney, remember that in RAFG our War Fit was 44+. The gun was deemed essential to counter all threats. Could print the details but I would have to shoot you. I could only guess Steve N...... didn't do a Germany tour or he would not have made such a stupid decision with Typhoon and the gun!
Yes it took 100 secs to align the INS. The Nav had to get the INS into Nav prior to the pilot starting to taxi. Both engines were started while strapping in, 7 second between starts I believe. The Nav could strap-in on the way to the T/O point if required. On an Alpha Scramble we WERE TO get airborne in 5 min, no matter. Battle Flight was seem to be of high interest by the *** Officers and politicians.

RP you are quite right on the tyre size, one red wine too many.
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Old 3rd Feb 2013, 22:29
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RAFG FGR2

Of course the RAFG FGR2 were the elite force hence the 5 minute readiness - actually the job was easier than UKADR FGR2s which had a much bigger airspace to engage targets - The RAFG F4s on Battle Flight adopted the following procedure- THe aircraft was winched back into the HAS and the backseater re aligned the INAS and made a note of the heading which was then written in china graph on the instrument panel - this fast align method took the stored heading as its reference hence the 100 second align as opposed to the 10 minutes. The aircraft was connected to ground power 24/7 which kept the INAS heaters on and hence the oil warm to aid erection !
Thanks for the tips Courtney - the film is about 1988 vintage so probably fogged
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Old 3rd Feb 2013, 22:58
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firdt hit on google looks possible

I DON'T know them

Stanley Productions : 8mm, 16mm, 35mm Film Processing London UK
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Thank You

Thanks Milo
Not far from where I live so will give them a go
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Originally Posted by Dominator
Courtney, remember that in RAFG our War Fit was 44+
Of course. Stupid me! Quite forgot about that.
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 09:36
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Scruffy,

The J was a much better F4 than the F4M for many reasons - the radar was the AWG12 but upgraded so better than the RAF AWG1/12
Surely the Radar in the J was an AWG 10?

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Old 4th Feb 2013, 10:16
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The first FJ I worked on as a fitter was a Phantom. And many years later I was the last radar project manager (AWG 10/11/12). God, I feel old.
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AWG10-11-12

Apologies you could be right- It probably was the AWG10- I'll check my notes, Ferranti were given the contract to maintain them and i know when they did the upgrade on the AWG11/12 it was a big improvement but i recall the F4J was the best of the J,K, M
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F-4J(UK) carried the AWG10B, an upgrade of the older AWG10. Some of the analogue stuff replaced by digital, which helped with reliability.
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But the digital update to the AWG 11/12 in the 80s was a quantum improvement over the original hi power analogue version.
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Of course. For the same reason. The 12 was probably the best set, all mods and other things being equal.
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 17:45
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Done a bit of digging today Gents ... it seems that 7 of our 15 F-4(UK)'s had Vietnam War Service behind them ... being ZE's 353, 354, 355, 356, 359, 362 and 365.

Best ...

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Cortney, Geehovah ...

From the same reference material ...

The J was initially equipped with the AWG-10B with a Doppler Spectrum Processor with all connections gold lined which gave a much cleaner picture than the FGR.2's AWG-12. But some Nav's felt that the 10 was not so useful at close range, lacking the fine-scale tuning for short-range returns.
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 18:31
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That's how I understood it too, Coff.
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