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More RAF bashing from Sharkey!

Old 23rd Jan 2013, 14:32
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More RAF bashing from Sharkey!

I can't help myself, I've been reading Sharkey Ward's website comments. Among the least offensive comments he has posted is one in particular which I would question. He maintains that in 1967, the British withdrawal from Aden required cover from a Navy Carrier. They were there apparently to cover the evacuation of all including the R.A.F. Now I don't doubt that a situation such as this could arise, however, I have seen film of the last days of the British presence in Aden.

Unless I'm mistaken and what I was watching was some other ceremony, the Navy were indeed present, but not to provide any kind of air cover for the fleeing R.A.F. I recall seeing the aircraft from HMS Victorious mounting a large Balbo flypast while a Senior British Officer, on land, took the salute.

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 14:44
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Everything that bitter, deranged person writes in his blog is absolutely true. THe RN are fantastic, the RAF are cowardly and useless. Oh, and they plotted against the Navy to cause the downfall of FAA fixed wing - which we may never see again. And the Harrier won the Falklands War all on their own.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 14:59
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Not quite Courtney - it was the SEA Harrier that won the war (and only those flown by the FAA, not the RAF exchange pilots). The GR3s were just there to fill in the gaps on the ATO.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:01
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Originally Posted by Courtney Mil
Everything that bitter, deranged person writes in his blog is absolutely true. THe RN are fantastic, the RAF are cowardly and useless. Oh, and they plotted against the Navy to cause the downfall of FAA fixed wing - which we may never see again. And the Harrier won the Falklands War all on their own.
So, you're Sharkey Ward!
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:16
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I think his biggest problem is that he completely discredits himself by being so increadibly poisonous and single-issue. Scrapping the Harrier must really be eating him up. As you say, Wrathmonk, especially the Sea Harrier.

As for your mistaken identity, JAJ, an easy mistake to make, I know.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:20
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So there can be no mistaken identity ...

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:21
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(and only those flown by the FAA, not the RAF exchange pilots)
Well, one of them was.

A friend and colleague of mine (ex Lightning) who flew the Sea Harrier during the conflict.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:41
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True, LM, but Wrathmonk's idea was that "that git Sharkey" only attributed the winning of the war to FAA Sea Harrier pilots.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:50
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From what I can remember of reading his book it was an even more select group than that. It was just the Sea Harriers from his own Squadron. I recall him frequently lambasting the guys on Hermes who were clearly not as good as his own unit.
I remember finding it slightly strange that, considering Sharkey won the war single handedly, he merited no mention whatsoever in Max Hastings' (a reasonably well respected journalist) book about the Falklands.
Clearly very misunderstood.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:56
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FB,

Without checking, I believe there were 5 flat tops off Aden. They included the Commando carriers and of course fixed-wing top cover. It was in anticipation of a debacle such as Saigon 6 years later but it all went pretty smoothly.

The troops were able to pour quick setting cement down the toilets and fill those globe lamp shades with water, having smashed the bulbs first. allegedly
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 15:56
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BV,

That's because Max Hastings was simply a puppet of the Army (and possibly the RAF). What could he ever know about the winning of the Ward Conflict?

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 16:04
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As one who was there, I can confirm that it was a combined operation of all services. The Wessex of 78 Sqn (of which I was a member) were embarked aboard HMS Intrepid for the final few days and operated from there. Eagle and Bulwark were there up until the end and the RN Wessex were also operating in support. As always in these things, the "poor bloody infantry" had the worst of it, but we did what we could to help. Not our finest hour by a long way, but the political story is someone else's.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 16:14
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I respect Sharkey for having flown some highly demanding war missions in carrierborne single seat fighters whilst coping with filthy weather during the South Atlantic conflict. BZ..

Regrettably, such respect can only be eroded by the rants he insists on posting. Mate, you had your war and we respect that, but the bolleaux you continue to post earns you your 'Bearded Bull$hitter' nickname.

Nevertheless, enjoy your twilight years in your Caribbean rum-sozzled retirement, but please, please..........stop?

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 17:16
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FB,

Without checking, I believe there were 5 flat tops off Aden. They included the Commando carriers and of course fixed-wing top cover. It was in anticipation of a debacle such as Saigon 6 years later but it all went pretty smoothly.

The troops were able to pour quick setting cement down the toilets and fill those globe lamp shades with water, having smashed the bulbs first. allegedly
Many Thanks Sir,

I knew there had to be a logical explanation, I know the Hunters from Khormaksar carried out regular offensive air support over the Radfan Mountains against insurgents, but I didn't know the Navy flew in anger against anyone after the R.A.F, inevitably, had to up sticks and leave.

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 18:01
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Surely Martin Withers (and the other 84-86 flying members of each Black Buck sortie - 7 in total) had a part to play in the Mirage III, IAI Dagger & Etendards being withdrawn to Comodoro Rivadavia.

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 18:13
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Sharkey, like many officers of previous generations, is irrelevant and the sooner he realizes this the better.

I was brought-up in a tri-service environment and not long before I left the military we really started to think Joint. If Defence is to remain relevant, we don't need idiots spouting-off about what colour a particular capability should be painted.

IMHO, the really good senior officers I worked for were purple through-and-through. They understood and respected the individual attributes and skills that we all brought to the party.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 18:20
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not long before I left the military we really started to think Joint
and judging by his current judgement, Sharky appears to have been smoking one (allegedly).
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 18:23
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CGB, thank you for saying that. I was beginning to feel the divisions again, but you reminded me of just how well the Services really do work together.

Good one.

Coff, can't you get rid of that picture?

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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 18:43
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One of the AEOs on my squadron had left te RAF shortly before Aden was evacuated. He joined the Aden Levees or whatever the local regiment was called. When the last British elements were leaving landrovers were driving up to him and the occupants were giving him the keys. It must have been all right subsequently because he came back on leave and told us all about it.
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Old 23rd Jan 2013, 18:44
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CGB, having retired only recently from a joint enterprise, joint meant green.

Basically green had the mass and green therefore led the way even if they seemed to defer to light blue from time to time and referred to us a purple veneer, ie blue on the outside and green on the inside.

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