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Going one better, here is the video of my first ever attempt at AAR from the back seat of a Harrier T10, filmed by the front seater en-route to Cyprus in September 2010. It was not cleared to AAR from the front seat, due to the probe being so far behind the front seater. The difficulty with the probe being so far back is that the disturbance caused by the airframe pushes the basket away from the aircraft, requiring a fair sized lunge from a good distance back for success! That is my excuse anyway. Criticism only accepted from those that have tried it. You may want to turn your volume down unless you miss the sound of the mighty Pegasus.
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Re. my original B & W 1950's Rhodesia 5 FTS Harvard now in colour. Post # 108 (above).
Nicely PhotoShopped or PaintShop Pro'd or whatever, but what's with the white squiggles around the rudder? - St Elmo's Fire?
Seriously though - a very good effort - thanks.
WT
Re. my original B & W 1950's Rhodesia 5 FTS Harvard now in colour. Post # 108 (above).
Nicely PhotoShopped or PaintShop Pro'd or whatever, but what's with the white squiggles around the rudder? - St Elmo's Fire?
Seriously though - a very good effort - thanks.
WT
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Ha!! Thanks for pointing that out...that was only a draft copy! I'll edit in the finished copy when I get home :oops:
All done
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Sorry, just tell me what sort of aircraft that was and how great their pilots are always telling us they are?
(b)You gave a bunch of them single-seat recommendations at Chiv
a) Mostly proud of that, until folk like the weak links above let the side down.
b) I didn't. Other Harrier Mates did that. Although a lot of the guys that really should have gone single seat started to be sent to the Tonka because the system was geting a bit unballanced.
Or, I could have said:
a) Fair cop.
b) Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out.
b) I didn't. Other Harrier Mates did that. Although a lot of the guys that really should have gone single seat started to be sent to the Tonka because the system was geting a bit unballanced.
Or, I could have said:
a) Fair cop.
b) Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out.
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" I always thought that Vernon was supposed to be a switched on character "
- Thought it was him!! Haven't seen him since 88. Wonder what he is up to these days? An English Tom Sellick personified
- Thought it was him!! Haven't seen him since 88. Wonder what he is up to these days? An English Tom Sellick personified
From that sortie came the paragraphs in the aircrew manual regarding "flight without canopy and rear seat", which would be the result if a nervous back-seater elected to depart the aircraft with command eject set to 'rear'. Funnily enough the handling notes refer to 'high noise levels' and 'strong airflow from rear-to-front along the side consoles'.
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From an older post on this very forum,
"On 27 Sep 83, the RAF lost its first Tornado. ZA 586 from IX Sqn crashed at night, some 5nm N of Kings Lynn. Memory slightly faded, but I think the aircraft went out of control following an unexplained total electrics failure. The nav ejected, but the pilot (Sqn Ldr Mike Stevens) went in with the aircraft; at the time, there was concern that he may have been unable to eject due to the airflow pinning his arms outside the cockpit (the canopy having been blown off as the nav ejected). It was decided that the only way to alleviate pilots' understandable fears over this issue was for BAe to remove the canopy from one of its aircraft and fly it minus navigator (for safety reasons), with the pilot stretching his arms into the airflow at slowly increasing airspeeds. This was done successfully, disproving the possibility that, with the loss of the canopy, the pilot would be unable to reach the ejection handle.
Keith Hartley was the pilot, and received an AFC for his efforts. Somewhere, there exists a published photo of the event."
"On 27 Sep 83, the RAF lost its first Tornado. ZA 586 from IX Sqn crashed at night, some 5nm N of Kings Lynn. Memory slightly faded, but I think the aircraft went out of control following an unexplained total electrics failure. The nav ejected, but the pilot (Sqn Ldr Mike Stevens) went in with the aircraft; at the time, there was concern that he may have been unable to eject due to the airflow pinning his arms outside the cockpit (the canopy having been blown off as the nav ejected). It was decided that the only way to alleviate pilots' understandable fears over this issue was for BAe to remove the canopy from one of its aircraft and fly it minus navigator (for safety reasons), with the pilot stretching his arms into the airflow at slowly increasing airspeeds. This was done successfully, disproving the possibility that, with the loss of the canopy, the pilot would be unable to reach the ejection handle.
Keith Hartley was the pilot, and received an AFC for his efforts. Somewhere, there exists a published photo of the event."
The usual British understatement. I remember the JP manual stating "manual bailout may require considerable physical effort", which our groundschool instructor translated as "You're gonna die!".
Tornado canopy off trial
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The following is from memory so take that at face value. I think this test flight was conducted in 1988 or thereabouts. It was the last flight, I believe, of a pre production a/c and attained a speed in excess of 600 kts. Somewhere I have a video of it and he's certainly going a at a fair rate at the end.
The camera ship was a Jaguar that had difficulty keeping up with the Tornado without resorting to reheat leading to some colourful language from the Jag pilot regarding his fuel state!
regards
BBK
ps re the noise levels it was impossible for Keith Hartley to hear any R/T at the higher speeds although interestingly his transmissions were still intelligible.
The following is from memory so take that at face value. I think this test flight was conducted in 1988 or thereabouts. It was the last flight, I believe, of a pre production a/c and attained a speed in excess of 600 kts. Somewhere I have a video of it and he's certainly going a at a fair rate at the end.
The camera ship was a Jaguar that had difficulty keeping up with the Tornado without resorting to reheat leading to some colourful language from the Jag pilot regarding his fuel state!
regards
BBK
ps re the noise levels it was impossible for Keith Hartley to hear any R/T at the higher speeds although interestingly his transmissions were still intelligible.
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I remember the flight and you are right, the test flight I think was made on the P-15 prototype from Warton with KH at the controls. The objective was to see the affects from a loss of the canopy to determine if the aircraft could still be flown. It should be noted the aircraft took off without the canopy.
However, some have suggested that this was the proposed sunroof option for the GR4....
However, some have suggested that this was the proposed sunroof option for the GR4....
Carried out due to the loss of the pilot in IX Sqn's crash as I recall. The question being whether the pilot could survive the nav's departure. Before that the doubt had been as to the nav's survival; the red line in the 700 saying the TV tabs were likely to detach and kill the nav if the canopy came off used to cause some sucking through teeth.
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The objective was to see the affects from a loss of the canopy to determine if the aircraft could still be flown.
Maybe they rigged the eject handle for sphincter operation.
Incapacitated arms accounted for ............. Check
Works flawlessly in any emergency ............ Check