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Old 27th Sep 2012, 17:18
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Voyager Sponsored Reserves Awarded "Wings"

Voyager Sponsored Reserves awarded their "wings".

Ministry of Defence | Defence News | History and Honour | Sponsored reservists honoured for work with RAF
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Good luck to them. No doubt someone will think it quite wrong because they have not done some training or other. If it looks like an RAF pilot, flies like an RAF pilot, and flies an RAF 'plane with other RAF pilots... Then it is!

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What do the wings say in the middle?

I assume it's a 'proper' set of RAF wings but I did once know a pilot who, despite being a reservist and flying real RAF aircraft in RAF uniform sported a splendid set of wings with 'VR' in the middle.
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Some presentation photos are on the link...

Local Pilots are Honoured by the RAF
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Guys, it's ok.
They are not "real" wings.
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Some presentation photos are on the link...
OMG the Screaming Skull!!

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Old 27th Sep 2012, 19:56
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But what colour are they?
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Would it be correct to assume that part of the savings of having SRs rather than regulars is not having to provide them with a set of No 1s......?
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 17:38
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Obviously photoshopped pictures of the wings presentation. How else do you explain the fact that Osby has exactly the same pose and facial expression in each picture? Or is Madame Tussauds now doing waxworks of senior officers?
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So that's what Osby looks like when he is not swearing!

Bloody good bloke though.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 18:31
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So why not contract out all our aircrew requirements? Save a fortune in housing, pensions, medical care, etc. Thin end of the wedge.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 19:31
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Roland,
They are all different. Why not give the civilian photographer a ring?

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I thought that hideous V-neck thing had been ****canned in favour of a return to the military style?
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I thought that hideous V-neck thing had been ****canned in favour of a return to the military style?
Which year's issue of the hideous V-neck thing are we talking, you've got a choice of about 4 "new issues" (starting in about 1993) and about 4 subsequent "****cannings" in recent times (say 2 decades, and they all looked similar). They're already talking about ****canning the "new" roundneck as it doesn't hold a tie very well. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:36
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C'mon....You don't get promoted unless you make a change....think it was something like through my 22 years

Round neck ribbed
V-Neck ribbed (straight join to V)
V-Neck ribbed (cross over join to V)
V-Neck smooth

followed by

Round neck ribbed...

Each change co-coincided with the change over of SO 31 Dir Clothing (or what the title was)

Wheels....must really try the square version one day to see if it is better.

Oh and nice to see the jerseys in the photos are the stretch version
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So that's what Osby looks like when he is not swearing!
Bet he was swearing on the inside...
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Good luck to the Trio. I notice that all three have a multi company background, let us hope they will stay at it. I would like to know whether they will do any of the tanking sorties, whenever that may be.
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Hmmm...

On the one hand, in 1940 men were given a few weeks of drill, thrown a uniform to wear and hey presto...they were 'in the RAF'. A few flying hours later and they were on the frontline in an unfamiliar type. NOBODY would dare question their credentials to wear wings and be 'in the RAF'.

However, these guys at Brize have essentially bought their wings by paying for their licences, paying for a type rating and gaining employment with a commercial company. It has been legitimised by giving them them the same level of military training given to a desperately needed acting Pilot Officer in 1940.

Do we by extension claim that the civilians who held a CPL/IR at JEFTS were RAF pilots because
If it looks like an RAF pilot, flies like an RAF pilot, and flies an RAF 'plane with other RAF pilots
they were therefore RAF pilots?

It's a slippery slope!
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Old 30th Sep 2012, 13:21
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I would like to know whether they will do any of the tanking sorties, whenever that may be
Unless they've decided otherwise recently, currency was to be 2 towlines a year only. Having said that they have some ex VC10 (D*** H***) amongst their numbers and D was one of the best trail captains we ever had. Hopefully he will be allowed to do trails.
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Good luck to the Trio. I notice that all three have a multi company background, let us hope they will stay at it.
Not quite the case Art. One has worked for a number of companies but the other two have only worked for one; the same one.

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I understand the point that you are making; and I sympathise; but fear that you may be being bit unfair to the individuals concerned. I can speak for two out of the three and they have never paid for a type rating. I know that one did pay for his commercial training, but that was funded by his first aviation related (and maybe more lucrative) career. His background experience does bring something very useful to the table.

From my personal acquaintance with two of the three, I have no issues with them wearing the same badge that I wore. I don't know the other individual so shall not comment.

Slippery slope or not? Well it could be, but if all military pilots have their training recognised as qualification for (near) automatic issue of a commercial licence.....?

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