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Well spoken young BEags - the naysayers forget there is a certain discretion on holding a commission. As his Granny owns his outfit you'd think a bit of decorum would be in order. Spoiled brat comes to mind.
Maybe it's a rockape / support helicopter thing ...
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Beags,
My point was/is, is that military bonding is similar to a team sport like rugby; you don't have any naked hang ups in the changing rooms after a good match because you have all fought for one common cause. I wasn't implying that the military is full of closet nudists but there is probably a link between it and bonding (in my opinion).
My point was/is, is that military bonding is similar to a team sport like rugby; you don't have any naked hang ups in the changing rooms after a good match because you have all fought for one common cause. I wasn't implying that the military is full of closet nudists but there is probably a link between it and bonding (in my opinion).
Cool, so as the female portion of the Services now routinely take on active service alongside their male counterparts, I take it the WAAF WRAC WREN blocks are all a thing of the past and mixed bathing is now actively encouraged to strengthen the bonding between the sexes....
Where do I sign back up?
I really couldn't care less what he does, his father doesn't care either - Prince Charles though is chuffing livid.
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I really couldn't care less what he does, his father doesn't care either -
Prince Charles though is chuffing livid.
Prince Charles though is chuffing livid.
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Well Beagle the Airforce I was and still am in has had many naked moments and I am neither a rock ape or SH. Go to any service rugby club on a sat evening and there is a fair chance of nakedness, go on a service rugby club tour particularly abroad and you might as well not take any clothes! All ranks get involved including our Commisioned members (gosh really).
I remember naked mess rugby O's vs Sgt Mess on more than one occasion after exchange drinks (Bit homo I k now) and I have yet to see anyone reprimanded let alone lose their commision!
Yes it is slightly embarrassing for the Royal Family but only cos he was caught, a little tighter control is all that is required.
Harry and his brother have done so much for the monarchy and are doing great for their country in their military roles, cut him some slack ffs.
Perhaps Beagle if you spent a little less time on here (19,000 posts!) You would have a less stuffy grip on reality.
I remember naked mess rugby O's vs Sgt Mess on more than one occasion after exchange drinks (Bit homo I k now) and I have yet to see anyone reprimanded let alone lose their commision!
Yes it is slightly embarrassing for the Royal Family but only cos he was caught, a little tighter control is all that is required.
Harry and his brother have done so much for the monarchy and are doing great for their country in their military roles, cut him some slack ffs.
Perhaps Beagle if you spent a little less time on here (19,000 posts!) You would have a less stuffy grip on reality.
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Interesting definition some people on here have of the word "public"
So if I was to set up a hidden cam in your hotel bedroom and then publish the resulting video as "public", would that be ok?
After all, if there is a camera you don't know about and didn't authorise in your room then that doesn't excuse your behaviour apparently?
I am interested what the main crux of the problem is.
What makes this behaviour "boorish"
Is it nakedness?
Nakedness in Vegas?
Nakedness with more than one person?
Naked with the light on?
Naked during Billiards?
Naked Billiards in Vegas with the lights on with more than one person?
If the latter, would the removal of any one of those factors make it ok?
Which arrangements would be ok?
Naked Billiards with one other?
Naked group Billiards in the dark? (it would certainly add to the difficulty, but with the ever present danger of grabbing the wrong "cue")
What if a girlfriend of Harry was to film him during sex and put it on Youtube? Would that be his fault?
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"I take it the WAAF WRAC WREN blocks are all a thing of the past and mixed bathing is now actively encouraged to strengthen the bonding between the sexes...."
Certainly the five deck dash has seen more than it's fair share of the fairer sex. In some cases very welcome, and in some
I think the real issue is that a certain proportion of the RAF (nobody in the Army, RN and certainly RM seem to have a problem) is made up of those wheezy late developers who never felt comfortable getting naked in the changing room....
Get over it.
Some of you have probably had sex since then.
Personally, I think that if you have not done something very close to naked group billiards in Vegas at some point in your life then you must be very dull at parties.
So if I was to set up a hidden cam in your hotel bedroom and then publish the resulting video as "public", would that be ok?
After all, if there is a camera you don't know about and didn't authorise in your room then that doesn't excuse your behaviour apparently?
I am interested what the main crux of the problem is.
What makes this behaviour "boorish"
Is it nakedness?
Nakedness in Vegas?
Nakedness with more than one person?
Naked with the light on?
Naked during Billiards?
Naked Billiards in Vegas with the lights on with more than one person?
If the latter, would the removal of any one of those factors make it ok?
Which arrangements would be ok?
Naked Billiards with one other?
Naked group Billiards in the dark? (it would certainly add to the difficulty, but with the ever present danger of grabbing the wrong "cue")
What if a girlfriend of Harry was to film him during sex and put it on Youtube? Would that be his fault?
Nutloose
"I take it the WAAF WRAC WREN blocks are all a thing of the past and mixed bathing is now actively encouraged to strengthen the bonding between the sexes...."
Certainly the five deck dash has seen more than it's fair share of the fairer sex. In some cases very welcome, and in some
I think the real issue is that a certain proportion of the RAF (nobody in the Army, RN and certainly RM seem to have a problem) is made up of those wheezy late developers who never felt comfortable getting naked in the changing room....
Get over it.
Some of you have probably had sex since then.
Personally, I think that if you have not done something very close to naked group billiards in Vegas at some point in your life then you must be very dull at parties.
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Well I did manage to avoid playing Freckles with the Army, though I thought it was a cr*p game myself..
Shackletons.. she didn't appear to enjoy having the ground power plugged into her ear
And yes of course we did, and it wasn't billiard balls that ended up getting pocketed.
Shackletons.. she didn't appear to enjoy having the ground power plugged into her ear
And yes of course we did, and it wasn't billiard balls that ended up getting pocketed.
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There's one thing getting naked whilst drunk at the Rugby Club...
On the issue of Naked Bar, I recently worked with a very experienced and thoroughly likeable Marine; his predecessor - a bit of a legend from the Falkands - was also a thoroughly professional chap. Several of us brought up the issue of 'Naked Bar' with both of them over some drinks during the handover and they were both of the belief that it is a dying habit or tradition. They both regarded it as a 'not particularly clever thing to do these days' because fo the ubiquity of video cameras etc.
Opinions amongst US colleagues vary - most are intrigued by the Royal family and they are genuinely amazed that both Princes do 'proper' military jobs. Some thought that Harry's antics, whilst a little risque, were ok, whereas others (perhaps tapping into the underlying Puritanism that is common in the US Forces) thought that his behaviour lacked a degree of mature judgement.
Yes - what Harry did would not pass for comment if it was any other junior officer, but he cannot escape the fact that he is also a major public figure/celebrity in his own right and that discretion in his behaviour is necessary. I would normally refrain from commenting on fellow officers on PPrune, but this matter is well and truely in the public domain. I was imagining what I would do if I were his Sqn Cdr?
On the issue of Naked Bar, I recently worked with a very experienced and thoroughly likeable Marine; his predecessor - a bit of a legend from the Falkands - was also a thoroughly professional chap. Several of us brought up the issue of 'Naked Bar' with both of them over some drinks during the handover and they were both of the belief that it is a dying habit or tradition. They both regarded it as a 'not particularly clever thing to do these days' because fo the ubiquity of video cameras etc.
Opinions amongst US colleagues vary - most are intrigued by the Royal family and they are genuinely amazed that both Princes do 'proper' military jobs. Some thought that Harry's antics, whilst a little risque, were ok, whereas others (perhaps tapping into the underlying Puritanism that is common in the US Forces) thought that his behaviour lacked a degree of mature judgement.
Yes - what Harry did would not pass for comment if it was any other junior officer, but he cannot escape the fact that he is also a major public figure/celebrity in his own right and that discretion in his behaviour is necessary. I would normally refrain from commenting on fellow officers on PPrune, but this matter is well and truely in the public domain. I was imagining what I would do if I were his Sqn Cdr?
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"I consider that his Colonel-in-Chief should require him to resign his commission. Notwithstanding his prowess as an army helicopter co-pilot, his behaviour was far beneath that required of an officer.
Until he mends his ways, he is quite demonstrably not fit to hold the Queen's Commission."
Imagine coming across this quote cold, with no idea to who or what it referred.
Reading this quote, one might reasonably assume that the person being referred to had committed some heinous or treasonous crime against his brothers in arms or the nation.
Imagine trying to guess what the person had done.....
Periodically on this Forum there are threads/posts from posters which revel in the chance to stick the boot in annonymously to some other member of the of their own military who is in public trouble/difficulty.
For example:
The girly Red Arrow thread
The Harrier Crash in Afghan
The various posts/threads implying that Harry and William don't deserve their wings and only got them because of their position, and other similarly unedifying examples of appalingly disloyal behaviour?
The military is a band of brothers, not a club where you stab your oppo in the bag so you can crawl over his body to to make yourself look better. Each egregious example breaks down the trust which is essential for an operationaly effective service.
Perhaps the quote at the start of this post refers to one of the cowardly posters of these spineless accusations? Someone who hides behind anonymity to revel in the mistakes of others or snipe at those in the public eye?
Perhaps finally there is a call to remove such people from this forum?
No, of course not. How could I be so stupid?!
This is about something far more serious!
It refers to single young Army officer getting naked in his private hotel suite in Vegas.
Personally, I've been naked in public in Vegas. Didn't get asked to resign. I'm slightly ashamed to admit that I was not playing Billiards. Maybe next time.
Anybody else been naked in Vegas?
Anyone been naked anywhere else noteworthy?
Oh, one last thing.
If you only served as an RAF Officer in a cold war, impugning the right of an Army Officer who has served on the ground in Afghanistan to hold a Queen's commision makes you a tw@t in my book.
Until he mends his ways, he is quite demonstrably not fit to hold the Queen's Commission."
Imagine coming across this quote cold, with no idea to who or what it referred.
Reading this quote, one might reasonably assume that the person being referred to had committed some heinous or treasonous crime against his brothers in arms or the nation.
Imagine trying to guess what the person had done.....
Periodically on this Forum there are threads/posts from posters which revel in the chance to stick the boot in annonymously to some other member of the of their own military who is in public trouble/difficulty.
For example:
The girly Red Arrow thread
The Harrier Crash in Afghan
The various posts/threads implying that Harry and William don't deserve their wings and only got them because of their position, and other similarly unedifying examples of appalingly disloyal behaviour?
The military is a band of brothers, not a club where you stab your oppo in the bag so you can crawl over his body to to make yourself look better. Each egregious example breaks down the trust which is essential for an operationaly effective service.
Perhaps the quote at the start of this post refers to one of the cowardly posters of these spineless accusations? Someone who hides behind anonymity to revel in the mistakes of others or snipe at those in the public eye?
Perhaps finally there is a call to remove such people from this forum?
No, of course not. How could I be so stupid?!
This is about something far more serious!
It refers to single young Army officer getting naked in his private hotel suite in Vegas.
Personally, I've been naked in public in Vegas. Didn't get asked to resign. I'm slightly ashamed to admit that I was not playing Billiards. Maybe next time.
Anybody else been naked in Vegas?
Anyone been naked anywhere else noteworthy?
Oh, one last thing.
If you only served as an RAF Officer in a cold war, impugning the right of an Army Officer who has served on the ground in Afghanistan to hold a Queen's commision makes you a tw@t in my book.
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"I was imagining what I would do if I were his Sqn Cdr?"
I would assume you would do the same as with any other serving officer.
Imagine the scenario.
Flt Lt Pretty Girl comes into your office in tears and asks to have a chat.
You ask what is wrong, and she says:
" Last week I was having a private party with some girls and guys we met on holiday in my hotel room, and one of the guys took some pictures I didn't know about. I had had a few drinks, and was a little uninhibited, so when everybody got naked so did I. He published them on the internet! Can I have the backing of the RAF to support the lawsuit against this invasion of my privacy?"
"Of course you can my dear, you have been treated appalingly."
"I was imagining what I would do if I were his Sqn Cdr?"
I would assume you would do the same as with any other serving officer.
Imagine the scenario.
Flt Lt Pretty Girl comes into your office in tears and asks to have a chat.
You ask what is wrong, and she says:
" Last week I was having a private party with some girls and guys we met on holiday in my hotel room, and one of the guys took some pictures I didn't know about. I had had a few drinks, and was a little uninhibited, so when everybody got naked so did I. He published them on the internet! Can I have the backing of the RAF to support the lawsuit against this invasion of my privacy?"
"Of course you can my dear, you have been treated appalingly."
Carousing around like an obnoxious rich kid with nothing to do but travel, party and sh@g local wenches. A professional Sloane Ranger making a @rse of himself and annoying others around him by trying to climb some social tree or other....
Just like his dad really - No, not that Dad? - the one he looks like.
Just like his dad really - No, not that Dad? - the one he looks like.
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Anybody else been naked in Vegas?
Anyone been naked anywhere else noteworthy?
Anyone been naked anywhere else noteworthy?
Yes
Beags,
I have to tell you something.
On Red Flag one year, a colleague of ours ended up in a threesome with his VC10 co pilot and a very pretty female (admin branch)Corporal. I wasn't invited in case you wondered.
I have been naked swimming with a VC10 co pilot and 3 (or was it 4 ) Harrier pilots plus a Wg Cdr and a Sgt. I'm sorry.
No videos or pictures seen to date.
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"Carousing around like an obnoxious rich kid with nothing to do but travel, party and sh@g local wenches"
Yup, that's why I became a pilot.
p.s.
I should add "disputes others parentage in a vicious manner despite evidence to the contrary" to my list of egregious behaviour worthy of censure on this website. What would possibly be gained by saying it even if it were true? A general sense of shadenfreude and hatred of the rich? Would you say it to his face? i doubt you have the courage.
"Carousing around like an obnoxious rich kid with nothing to do but travel, party and sh@g local wenches"
Yup, that's why I became a pilot.
p.s.
I should add "disputes others parentage in a vicious manner despite evidence to the contrary" to my list of egregious behaviour worthy of censure on this website. What would possibly be gained by saying it even if it were true? A general sense of shadenfreude and hatred of the rich? Would you say it to his face? i doubt you have the courage.
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On Red Flag one year, a colleague of ours ended up in a threesome with his VC10 co pilot and a very pretty Corporal. I wasn't invited in case you wondered.
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lj101, but you're not third in line of succession to the British throne.
Tourist, your exhibitionist streak speaks volumes. And not particularly pleasant ones at that....
Tourist, your exhibitionist streak speaks volumes. And not particularly pleasant ones at that....
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"What vile practices some drunken squaddies allegedly get up to in secluded areas of some god-forsaken barracks is one thing, what an officer of the Household Division............does in public is entirely another."
actually Harry deserves praise for picking up some women, instead of following the Household Cav's usual shirtlifting habits
actually Harry deserves praise for picking up some women, instead of following the Household Cav's usual shirtlifting habits
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"Tourist, your exhibitionist streak speaks volumes. And not particularly pleasant ones at that...."
No more than your puritanical streak speaks of you.
Being overly clenched is not a good thing.
It screams REPRESSED.
"Tourist, your exhibitionist streak speaks volumes. And not particularly pleasant ones at that...."
No more than your puritanical streak speaks of you.
Being overly clenched is not a good thing.
It screams REPRESSED.
This issue clearly divides people into two very distinct camps, who may have to agree to differ....
On the one hand there is the "he is a junior officer in the armed forces, where such high jinxs are perfectly acceptable by a young single individual, especially as all involved were unattached and consenting"....
The there is the "he is third in line to the throne and should be setting a better example" camp.
Which is he - unfortunately both, and that is the line he must tread with care on a daily basis. How many "average" junior officers would get 2 weeks off to attend every major event at the Olympics with front row seats, including being the senior British representative at the closing ceremony. Followed by time off in Las Vegas, and if the papers are to believed, time before that partying with some hooray henrys in the Caribbean. That would be my full leave entitlement used up, and what other Royal duties/charity work has he done this year. He is perhaps an Army Officer by choice, a member of the Royal family by birth.
He is between a rock and a hard place. If he made a mistake, it was the classic one of getting caught - which in this day of cameras in phones and people willing to "kiss and tell" is all too easy.....
I'm not sure what purpose this thread (indeed most pprune threads!) will serve, as nobody on one side appears to be willing to as much as acknowledge the viewpoint of the other!
On the one hand there is the "he is a junior officer in the armed forces, where such high jinxs are perfectly acceptable by a young single individual, especially as all involved were unattached and consenting"....
The there is the "he is third in line to the throne and should be setting a better example" camp.
Which is he - unfortunately both, and that is the line he must tread with care on a daily basis. How many "average" junior officers would get 2 weeks off to attend every major event at the Olympics with front row seats, including being the senior British representative at the closing ceremony. Followed by time off in Las Vegas, and if the papers are to believed, time before that partying with some hooray henrys in the Caribbean. That would be my full leave entitlement used up, and what other Royal duties/charity work has he done this year. He is perhaps an Army Officer by choice, a member of the Royal family by birth.
He is between a rock and a hard place. If he made a mistake, it was the classic one of getting caught - which in this day of cameras in phones and people willing to "kiss and tell" is all too easy.....
I'm not sure what purpose this thread (indeed most pprune threads!) will serve, as nobody on one side appears to be willing to as much as acknowledge the viewpoint of the other!
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Oh dear, I was thinking I had missed out on something until I just remembered:
In an hotel in Oldenberg, a number of the crew were all in the jaccuzi. We were joined by one of the others who came in his underpants, very discrete. Once he was in the jaccuzi we all stood up - in the buff. The next day he was the one who had to go commando
Then the Blue Lagoon at Kef, 0n00, snow all around, crystal clear sky. Bliss!
I believe it is far more commercialised now, shame.
In an hotel in Oldenberg, a number of the crew were all in the jaccuzi. We were joined by one of the others who came in his underpants, very discrete. Once he was in the jaccuzi we all stood up - in the buff. The next day he was the one who had to go commando
Then the Blue Lagoon at Kef, 0n00, snow all around, crystal clear sky. Bliss!
I believe it is far more commercialised now, shame.
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"I don't care if he had won a VC in Afghan, the Prince is a very spoiled and immature young man with no apparent regard for his position of high responsibility, who is a disgrace to the country and his family"
That says everything about you and your attitude to military effectiveness vs po-faced prudery.
Perhaps Harry comes from a military generation that values effect over image rather more.
Re my comment.
In my book an officer who has never been on a two-way range doesn't get to judge the officerlike qualities of those who have.
I put myself in the former category by the way. Prefer to look down from on high, well clear of the sharpened guava.
"I don't care if he had won a VC in Afghan, the Prince is a very spoiled and immature young man with no apparent regard for his position of high responsibility, who is a disgrace to the country and his family"
That says everything about you and your attitude to military effectiveness vs po-faced prudery.
Perhaps Harry comes from a military generation that values effect over image rather more.
Re my comment.
In my book an officer who has never been on a two-way range doesn't get to judge the officerlike qualities of those who have.
I put myself in the former category by the way. Prefer to look down from on high, well clear of the sharpened guava.