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The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

Old 5th Aug 2022, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Trouble is Xi has chosen to inflame Nationalist tendencies rather than cool them - no doubt so they "need" a Strong Leader.

Now he has to wind down the tension whilst still banging the big drum.
Xanax apparently helps. Maybe with a squeeze of Ritalin.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 11:13
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Pushing the boundaries (and their luck?). Earlier today I zoomed around the globe courtesy FR24 to have a look at activity around Taiwan. A USAF RC135-V had flown a pattern close to the exclusion zone to the SW of the island and then turned, heading directly to the mainland. As I watched, wondering at what point it would turn away it turned off its transponder. A recipe for close-encounters of the unwelcome kind?
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 14:32
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On the other hand it might not have turned it off, there is another explanation….
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:12
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On the other hand it might not have turned it off, there is another explanationů.
Several, in fact.

A common misconception, for a start, is that the flight trackers have 100% coverage of the world's airspace.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 17:21
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And did China ever have Taiwan (Formosa that was)? Seems rather dubious according to this article.

https://unherd.com/2022/08/how-chinese-is-taiwan/
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And did China ever have Taiwan (Formosa that was)? Seems rather dubious according to this article.
https://unherd.com/2022/08/how-chinese-is-taiwan/
I will suggest to you that people in the PRC have their own version of this, and it is vehemently put forth.
Why would they respect someone else's opinion on that?
The article self detonates as soon as they go with comparing Taiwan with Ireland.
Nope. Terrible analogy, not to mention a bit too westernmyopic as well.

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Old 6th Aug 2022, 01:07
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
And did China ever have Taiwan (Formosa that was)? Seems rather dubious according to this article.

https://unherd.com/2022/08/how-chinese-is-taiwan/
Maybe I read the wrong history, but afaik, the Chinese kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan in 1662.
Not sure they ever saw much use for it, except as a place to allow foreign barbarians to come for trade, keeping them safely away from China.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 08:29
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Taiwan is and always has been de facto an independent entity from the mainland.

No need to declare anything, unless they announce a decision to change political systems and accept CCP rule.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 08:44
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If , in 1945-48, the KMT had declared Taiwan independent and asked for US recognition we wouldn't be where we are today - China would almost certainly claim Taiwan but Is upectthe rhetoric would be lower key

Spending the next 30+ years proclaiming that Taiwan was part of China a wasn't a brilliant move when the wind changed
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Part of China but not part of communist China.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 14:23
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upectthe rhetoric

Say again all after "Good afternoon!"
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"Part of China but not part of communist China"

IIRC the KMT claimed to run the whole shooting match - and a lot of people in DC agreed with them - until they didn't of course.

I sometimes wonder what might have been the course of history if that lunatic Kim Il Sung hadn't invaded S Korea and brought the US and China face to face on the battlefield.

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Old 6th Aug 2022, 22:12
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The Republic of China: Kuomintang (and its successors)
The People's Republic of China: CCP.
Been that way since about 1949, right?
(Or, did the folks on Taiwan one day drop the RoC appellation? I might have missed a memo)

I recall a similar distinction between East and West Germany: FDR and DDR, back in the day. (Also see the reference to Kim et al above)
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 22:25
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It used to be FRG and GDR back then.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 08:39
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Taiwan is still officially "The Republic of China" I believe

the DDR/BDR isn't really the same as neither side claimed to "own" or represent the other

A more interesting example is the Republic of Ireland and N Ireland where the Republic issues passports to N Irish citizens (but not vice-versa) and

"Article 3.1 of the Constitution of Ireland "recognises that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island".[This provision was introduced in 1999 after implementation of the Good Friday Agreement, as part of replacing the old Articles 2 and 3, which had laid a direct claim to the whole island as the national territory"

which wasn't that different to the Chinese position on Taiwan until Xi took out Hong Kong and whipped up the current storm.[size=8333px] [/size]

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It used to be FRG and GDR back then.
Auf Deutsch: DDR for East Gemany. (Deutsche Demokratische Republik)
I am reaching back over 50 years in memory: we were taught something like FDR (Federalische Deutsche Republik) for the West but I suspect that Bundesrepublik Deutschland may have been a more accurate term.
Bah, memory starting to line the holes up in the Swiss cheese at this point.
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Bundesrepublik Deutschland or Federal Republic of Germany to be precise.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 23:28
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DDR for East Gemany. (Deutsche Demokratische Republik)

Irony was not lost on the communists. Seems to be a recurring theme, putting heads on spikes of liberated people is the extension of the cynical leaders that seem to plague the application of utopian concepts corrupted by centralized power.



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Old 8th Aug 2022, 01:31
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The UN is your friend.
There is a commemorative plaque near Strawberry Fields,( of John Lennon fame) in NYC Central Park which includes the German Democratic Republic among its signatories.
Afaik, it is one of the last official documents which mention the GDR.
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The *DPRK would love to become the sole government over one Korea, too, thus the south stays suitably armed.

*Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
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